Camaro SS VS. Toyota Supra VS. Porche 911 Turbo

[Bad-Karma]

Originally posted by Stang372
Dude 350CI Engine's are very cabable of pulling 650hp+. With a 250 shot of NOS though my boy went to far. He should have said 100 or something. Anyway, i work with him in a chevy dealer, we are mechanics and trust me those baby's are very cabable of pushing 650+. Of coarse you will need either a supercharger or turbo and a whole lot of work. Again i state, if it's possible to push a SUpra or an Integra to 650hp+, then why can't you do that to a 350CI V8?

One last thing, i have a friend that swears he saw an INtegra with only an Air filter, and and exuast system do a 1/4 mile in 10.2 secs!!!! That's more rediculous than the other story!!!!!

Well, first of all, let's take a look at how the engines are built. The 350 is an overhead valve design, single camshaft. This is NOT a design that lends itself well to high RPM's, which is one part of how big HP numbers are made. This is why it's actually much easier for the Supra and the Integra (and BMW's) to build high HP engines; dual, overhead cams which support a high RPM side much easier. Will they develop as much torque as the OHV design; no, which is why the marine industry still relies upon the old Chevy 350, 454 and 502 blocks (the new 377 and 496 are starting to filter in however). No transmission means you need big torque to move a boat...sigh...

Yes, a 350 can produce that much power in rare circumstances. Lingenfelter produced a Vette with 600+ HP, albeit only with twin turbo's, and no proven statements of reliability. Could someone add a 250 shot of nitrous to that; nope, no way, no how. (Well, okay, yes they could, but only with the significant end of life of the motor, and probably after less than 1/4 mile.)

Pat

[JsnE36M]

Do you realize how much it woul cost to make a porsche push over 600 hp, thousands upno thousands upon thousands. my friend has a boxter and to send it to ruf he gets an extra 150hp, and cost 125k! its ridiculous.

[Stang372]

Going to far with 250shot of nos is an understatement. As for his spelling, he was 4th in his class,(I was 5th) he can spell. He just doesn't have money to put into a new computer. With his baby comming soon he can't afford to buy anything other than what they need. Maybe we can set up a fundraiser!!

I don't see how the Camaro is not a sports car. If people say a Supra and Rx-7 and the NSX is a sports car, then why isn't the CAmaro and Trans am a sports car? (Sorry for picking on the Supra all the time but that's the first jap import that comes to mind!)

The COrvette 350 engine is very well Engineered. It is definatly not from the 50' 60. Ya the basic set up of Huge engine= Huge hp. However, it is a very technological engine. Am i saying that right? Shit i need to stay off the beer. I think you guys get what i am saying though. I got it, it's a very advanced engine ther i go!! lol. Look every compnay has there thing, even countries to a certain extent. It just so happens to be that the US sports car are huge v8's the same way japan makes sc with little engines with turbo. And Germany makes decend size egnines but very tunable. Like porche. Puny engine, but 415hp!! It's just america's choice. But you all have to stop saying that they are trashy engines and are from the stone age. Cause they're not. The idea is though in a way. But hey, why fix what isnt broken

[JasonJ75]

You guys need to give GM a little more credit. The LS1 is NOT 50's 60's technology. This statement is plain ridiculous. The only thing the LS1 has in common w/ a 50's era engine is the displacement.
Lets look at the Z06. All aluminum block, 6600 rpm fuel cut off, 405hp...Can more power be had? Of course..I hate to defend anyone that's defending CamaroSS672 but Stang372 is so right...A 350 is capable of way more than 500hp...Four examples...
1 - NASCAR
2 - http://www.ls1.com/index_12_second_club.html (707 RWHP 10.09 @ 134)
3 - I have a video of a Vette running a 9.98@145. Using a calculator I found at http://www.corral.net/tech/brakehp.html and adding a plump 250lbs for gas and driver it estimated 849hp, 694 to the wheels.
4 - http://www.c5rmotorsports.com/2000/2kc5rspecs.htm C5-R 620hp

Remember, just because GM is putting out a lower hp/l than others such as Renntech, RUF, or the odd Japanese tuner doesn't mean they can't. They have warranties and dependability to worry about, marketing, finance, and legal departments to satisfy. Let alone...They don't need to...Find a car that can beat the Z06 for 50k.

Edit - The Camaro and Firebird are muscle cars. The Z06 is a sports car..There is a difference. To start. Solid rear axle...Hell, my wife's '87 325is has IRS.

[HB///MPOWER]

Originally posted by Dado
There is no reason to keep this topic going unless some pictures are posted. We are waiting Camaro...

If you can afford a car like that you should be able to afford a disposable camera. That’s all you need, once you fill up that camera with pics mail it to me with a return address and I will return you the money for the camera and shipping. I will scan and post them.

check the shipping address at www.dtmpower.net/contact thanks

Damn that was some good readin'
Even Dado is trying to sort the BS that is funny as hell
I'm glad its all cleared up now though

TOm

[Bad Bimr]

Originally posted by JasonJ75
You guys need to give GM a little more credit. The LS1 is NOT 50's 60's technology. This statement is plain ridiculous. The only thing the LS1 has in common w/ a 50's era engine is the displacement.
Lets look at the Z06. All aluminum block, 6600 rpm fuel cut off, 405hp...Can more power be had? Of course..I hate to defend anyone that's defending CamaroSS672 but Stang372 is so right...A 350 is capable of way more than 500hp...Four examples...
1 - NASCAR
2 - http://www.ls1.com/index_12_second_club.html (707 RWHP 10.09 @ 134)
3 - I have a video of a Vette running a 9.98@145. Using a calculator I found at http://www.corral.net/tech/brakehp.html and adding a plump 250lbs for gas and driver it estimated 849hp, 694 to the wheels.
4 - http://www.c5rmotorsports.com/2000/2kc5rspecs.htm C5-R 620hp

Remember, just because GM is putting out a lower hp/l than others such as Renntech, RUF, or the odd Japanese tuner doesn't mean they can't. They have warranties and dependability to worry about, marketing, finance, and legal departments to satisfy. Let alone...They don't need to...Find a car that can beat the Z06 for 50k.

Edit - The Camaro and Firebird are muscle cars. The Z06 is a sports car..There is a difference. To start. Solid rear axle...Hell, my wife's '87 325is has IRS.

Granted the new "small block" is made from aluminum but it is still based on a design from the 50's. It still uses a OHV motor? Give GM credit? Yeah right. GM had a great motor in the ZR1. What did they do, they shelfed it. You still want me to give them credit. It is sad when a Ford Mustang has a technologically better powerplant then a Vette at 1/2 the price.

What are these links to? Big HP chevy cars? Everyone that knows anything about cars kows you can get BIG HP out of these motors. But are any of these cars streetable?

1 - NASCAR

Knock Knock anyone home these are race cars.

2 - http://www.ls1.com/index_12_second_club.html (707 RWHP 10.09 @ 134)

Shall I keep knocking? Have you ever deiven a street car with a 3200 RPM stall converter. Did you read his mods? I will post if you want? This is a race car too. NEXT

3 - I have a video of a Vette running a 9.98@145. Using a calculator I found at http://www.corral.net/tech/brakehp.html and adding a plump 250lbs for gas and driver it estimated 849hp, 694 to the wheels.

I assume race car number three


4 - http://www.c5rmotorsports.com/2000/2kc5rspecs.htm C5-R 620hp

12.5:1 comp ratio, drive that on the street. Hell drive it on pump gas. Can you say race car number four.



Do you want me to post places on the net of BMW's, Benze's, Honda's making MAD HP like you did? They will all be race car's just as yours were. Show me sites of a 672 HP street car. I showed you the renntech.

http://www.renntechmercedes.com/spla...lk/clkgtx.html

This is a STREET CAR. No NOS. NO TURBO. NO SC. ALL MOTOR.

The bottom line is. Anyone hat knows anything about cars knows a small block can makes lots of HP. The small block however is no where close to being as great a m,otor as the newer cars have. Even some of the newere GM products. If GM had a brain the Vette would have a newer version of the ZR1 motor or a bigger northstar type of motor. GM has the motors just no brains.

Till then I will drive my 420+ HP 183 CID European motor.

Bill P

PS I realy want one of those Renntech CLK GTX. Imagine the fun you wuld have with all the street bikes.

[Stang372]

Ya my boy bullshited, but no i'm not defending him. I'm defending GM. And the whole story isn't a lie. He does have a Camaro ss, with maybe about 375 or so (air filter, flowmaster exaust, headers, intake, and something else.???)

Good point about the Sports car thing. HOwever i still think that if you qualify a supra(here i go again picking on that car again) as a sports car, then you have to qualify the camaro and trans am and mustang as a sports car. You cant judge it by the rear end, cause you can't qualify the stang and the camaro in two different catagories. They are at least to be considered Sport Muscle cars if not full fleged sports car, not super car, but sport car.

[agturbo]

I never heard of a car with that much power roaming the streets with a system...funny post, everybody is all stirrd up...lol

[Stang372]

Dude ever hear of a Hennessey Viper? Oh but wait, because it's american it's not streetable. And it's unreliable, and horrible mpg. But any german 650hp can is gonna run like a brand new Corolla. Why, cause it's not american. Can you stop with that shit. That really pisses me off man. Also, i work with those engines, have you ever seen them being assembled? no. Those are a lot more advanced than people give credit for. Just cause it's a 5.7 liter engine, doesn't mean they have no tech. in it. ANd it's a horribly engineered car. It makes me sicK.

[DannyM5]

not to rain on anyones parade, but, dang guys, take it easy on this dude. I don't usually defend american cars. but I have a friend who is pushing out 470 at the wheels of his Camaro SS. He has a supercharger, heads, hurst shifter, and a crapload of other things including a 3.5 inch exhaust from headers back. This car runs a 12 second quarter mile, and he said that in a few months he is upgrading his pulleys to push out over 600 at the crank.... so it can be done...


all of his mods are dyno tested, and I have checked this car out personally... on the lift at my fathers dealership. its completely insane....

[Bad Bimr]

Originally posted by Stang372
Dude ever hear of a Hennessey Viper? Oh but wait, because it's american it's not streetable. And it's unreliable, and horrible mpg. But any german 650hp can is gonna run like a brand new Corolla. Why, cause it's not american. Can you stop with that shit. That really pisses me off man. Also, i work with those engines, have you ever seen them being assembled? no. Those are a lot more advanced than people give credit for. Just cause it's a 5.7 liter engine, doesn't mean they have no tech. in it. ANd it's a horribly engineered car. It makes me sicK.

The Hennessey Viper? Yep heard of it. check out the link.

http://www.hennesseymotorsports.com/...id=882975_7058

8.4 liters of American Iron (Ok, It's aluminum but you get the point). That thing is SICK.

77.1 HP/L
0-60 mph 3.3
0-100 mph 7.1
Standing 1/4 mile, sec@mph* 11.2 @ 131.7
Braking, 60-0 mph, ft. 109
Lateral acceleration, g 1.06

However the Renntech makes about the same HP with only 7.4 liters.

http://www.renntechmercedes.com/spla...lk/clkgtx.html

83.78 HP/L
0-60 mph 3.4 seconds
0-100 mph 7.1 seconds
0-150 mph 15.2 seconds
Quarter mile 11.3 seconds @ 130 mph
Lateral Acceleration, 1.0g +

So if the Benz had another 1000 CC (1 liter) it would be pumping out 704 HP

We can go on back and forth doing this. Americans can/do build dast cars. Yes you can make any car makes gobs of power no mater if it's American on Korean. My only point was that the "newer" even American motors are better then the 350 (aka small block). OHV motors are motors from the distant past. The LS1 motor is BAD ASS, but GM should be ashamed for putting a DOHC motor in a Geo and a OHV motor in the Vette.

Lets end this.

Bill P

PS You take the Viper I still want the Benz. Yea they make the benz in a convertable also.

PPS I am playing/winning the lottery tomorow.

[DannyM5]

8.4 liters of American Iron. That thing is SICK.

I think you mean American Aluminum... the Viper has an all aluminum engine... just thought you might like to know

[Johnny'sBeemer]

hey guys... the person that was talking about that he has some wacked camaro with 922hp... he's also the "Stang372" just giving ya some info

[Bad Bimr]

Originally posted by Johnny'sBeemer
hey guys... the person that was talking about that he has some wacked camaro with 922hp... he's also the "Stang372" just giving ya some info

Your kidding right?

That is so funny.

Dude get a life.

Bill P

[bob(NJ)]

Wow that makes this story even more interesting ...he is the same person huh? i was gone for most of this ....thanksgiving and what not ..but man this is funny. and even when dado started asking him now that surprised me hahahhaha fun stuff