Go Back   DTM Power BMW Message Board Forum > DTMPower > Motor Sport
Register FAQ Members List Calendar

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1 (permalink)  
Old 10-07-2002, 08:51 PM
Master License
 
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Oakland, CA
Rides:85 Corolla GTS, 97 328is, 98 4Runner
Posts: 225
ae86_16v is a New Registered Member
F1 revision...(this is gay)

You guys be the judge...

http://sports.yahoo.com/m/sm/news/re...e20021007.html
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
  #2 (permalink)  
Old 10-07-2002, 09:19 PM
Tom Sederburg's Avatar
Circling the bowl...
 
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: Saint Peters, Missouri
Rides:Tricycle
Posts: 272
Tom Sederburg is a New Registered Member
I agree that is the plan from hell.

Its tooooo stupid! Its not even funny. What makes them think the teams would agree to such bs? Also what makes them think people will still watch if they know some loser is winning just because Schumacher has a monkey on his back?

Later,
Tom
__________________
"A little respect goes a long way"

"What you can do for me I can do better for you." - JFK
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
  #3 (permalink)  
Old 10-07-2002, 09:43 PM
Master License
 
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: Denver
Rides:BMW
Posts: 319
kaiser soze is a New Registered Member
F1 and CART should just merege,I'm sure that would help out both series.
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
  #4 (permalink)  
Old 10-07-2002, 10:13 PM
Alex Mc's Avatar
NC Rep.
 
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: NC
Rides:E30 Evo Schwiiing
Posts: 4,261
Alex Mc is a New Registered Member
I know its shitty, but they're right.. i mean, BMW and Mclaren are practically the only ones that can compete, and they don't win shit. Something has to give, handicapps suck.. but in the name of preserving the sport, i don't totally disagree, although its contradictory to the nature of competition.

We'll see what happens.. Schuey is supposedly retiring after next season, but even then.. Ferrari, BMW, and McLaren will still run that shit.

That's the one good thing about Winston-Cup (aside from the wrecks).. at least its anyone's race, i mean one of 20 guys can win a Winston-Cup race. In F1, like that article said.. Ferrari's won 14 of 16 races! That's absurd!
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
  #5 (permalink)  
Old 10-07-2002, 10:16 PM
PrinceE30's Avatar
Stick Shift Cowboy
 
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: 1.5mi from Road Atlanta
Rides:1991 BMW 318is
Region: USA - South East
Posts: 2,986
PrinceE30 is a New Registered Member
Something does need to be done to help the smaller teams compete. As much as I love BMW-Williams, I'd like to see more than just BMW, Ferrari, and McLaren at the top all the time. More than just high HP engines and huge costs need to be on the bill of F1. Reliability and such is something that should surely be considered.

What they are doing is a little drastic for even my taste....but at least they see the problems with F1.

CART + F1 = more competition, more teams, better sport all around. Then you'll have 2 leagues, IRL and F1. Good plan imho.

-Prince
__________________
Randall Prince
http://www.rp1.us/ Used Cars
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
  #6 (permalink)  
Old 10-07-2002, 10:24 PM
Alex Mc's Avatar
NC Rep.
 
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: NC
Rides:E30 Evo Schwiiing
Posts: 4,261
Alex Mc is a New Registered Member
Cart + F1 = retarded.

Two totally, totally different cars.. they may look similar, that's where the likenesses end.

F1 drivers are bred through a totally different progression, that's apples and oranges.

Besides, it'd never happen.

F1 budgets for top teams are pushing 1/2 BILLION dollars per season.... !!!!!!!!!!!!!! $500 million dollars. 1 season. THAT is obscene!
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
  #7 (permalink)  
Old 10-07-2002, 10:31 PM
Tom Sederburg's Avatar
Circling the bowl...
 
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: Saint Peters, Missouri
Rides:Tricycle
Posts: 272
Tom Sederburg is a New Registered Member
I think perhaps a spending cap and "trickle down" profits would be the best ways to keep things "fair."

The "excess" money for the best teams could be diversified among the weaker teams to keep them in the sport.

Later,
Tom

P.S. Cart cars would get smoked like a fat blunt if they ever merged.
__________________
"A little respect goes a long way"

"What you can do for me I can do better for you." - JFK

Last edited by Tom Sederburg : 10-07-2002 at 10:36 PM.
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
  #8 (permalink)  
Old 10-07-2002, 10:52 PM
Alex Mc's Avatar
NC Rep.
 
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: NC
Rides:E30 Evo Schwiiing
Posts: 4,261
Alex Mc is a New Registered Member
Quote:
Originally posted by Tom Sederburg

P.S. Cart cars would get smoked like a fat blunt if they ever merged.
Haha, hell yeah they would. F1 ownz.

I wonder what'd be cheaper.. organizing the theft of an F1 V10, or buying one. 19000rpm is the shiznit.
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
  #9 (permalink)  
Old 10-08-2002, 12:43 AM
Mikedav's Avatar
B Road Addict
 
Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: Bournemouth UK
Rides:2004 M3 SMG
Region: Europe
Posts: 1,550
Mikedav is a New Registered Member
Quote:
Originally posted by Tom Sederburg
I think perhaps a spending cap and "trickle down" profits would be the best ways to keep things "fair."

The "excess" money for the best teams could be diversified among the weaker teams to keep them in the sport.
Nice idea but we all know the world of pro sports doesnt work that way.

The fact is, Ferrari is sooo far ahead, its boring to watch the sport. F1 title was decided BEFORE the end of the series, and that sucks. Its a problem- how did Ferrari get so much better? Why cant the other teams keep up? (must me NOS ) Im not sure this is the way to solve the problem...

...but having said that, BMWs used to carry a 50KG weight penalty in the BTCC as they were RWD...and they still kicked everyones butt Its a tough one to overcome.

What I do wonder is if champions should be limited to, say, 4 F1 titles? To stop domination all year, every year by the likes of Schumacher. I mean come on, we know you are good, and youve got $100m+ in the bank. Call it a day, and live on as a legend...

(I dont like the guy anyway because hes not a true sportsman- win or nothing, do whatever it takes, no passion)

As for CART and F1...completely different races series guys. F1 doesnt need 'support' anywhere but the US, only place it doesnt seem popular...they have just started CART here at ONE track and its a damn oval! Boring...but contrary to popular belief, CART cars are bigger and faster (260MPH ish) than F1 (but not as cool )
__________________
2006 Z4 M Coupe
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
  #10 (permalink)  
Old 10-08-2002, 01:19 AM
Suneal's Avatar
Master License
 
Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: FL
Rides:Cooper S
Region: USA - South East
Posts: 4,958
Suneal is a New Registered Member
Quote:
Originally posted by Tom Sederburg
P.S. Cart cars would get smoked like a fat blunt if they ever merged.
F1 is the highest rank in motorsport. They have the best cars, and the best drivers. I dont want this gay handicap thing to happen, but, only BMW and McLaren winif Ferrari doesnt. Thats just obsurd!
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
  #11 (permalink)  
Old 10-08-2002, 02:25 AM
Alex Mc's Avatar
NC Rep.
 
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: NC
Rides:E30 Evo Schwiiing
Posts: 4,261
Alex Mc is a New Registered Member
Cart cars are faster top speed, but don't have near the agility or braking ability...

Guys- if the trend continues, teams will just continue to drop out! Who is going to put up 100's of millions a season when they KNOW they have no chance of winng, it's pointless!!! I agree, it sucks, but SOMETHING has to level the playing field.. the budget DEFINITELY needs to be decreased, there's way too much cash going into this sport.

After a couple more seasons, the big teams will have enough inertia to keep going.. small teams will all drop out.. and no one will be able to be competitive ever again.
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
  #12 (permalink)  
Old 10-08-2002, 02:37 AM
Mikedav's Avatar
B Road Addict
 
Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: Bournemouth UK
Rides:2004 M3 SMG
Region: Europe
Posts: 1,550
Mikedav is a New Registered Member
Quote:
Originally posted by Alex Mc
Cart cars are faster top speed, but don't have near the agility or braking ability...
Exactly

Heres an idea...ban Ferrari for a season...give the others time to catch up on a technical level! Totally inpractacable but an idea...
__________________
2006 Z4 M Coupe
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
  #13 (permalink)  
Old 10-08-2002, 05:01 AM
E36 4x4 Driver
 
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Vancity
Rides:E36 4x4
Posts: 246
ceejay is a New Registered Member
Some of the most exciting racing leagues in the world have a handicap similar to this. I think it will make the sport all that much more exciting. JGTC does this, you never know who is going to win in those races..
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
  #14 (permalink)  
Old 10-08-2002, 05:08 AM
SI///M3's Avatar
-
 
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Marion, Illinois
Rides:BMW, M3, 1999
Posts: 1,342
SI///M3 is a New Registered Member
I agree with this actually. Ferrari has definatly put in the effort and has the skill, but F1 has really been boring as hell this season! I went to the USGP, and it was awesome being there, but watching the rerun the other night I changed channels because its not even a race. Make F1 as competitive as Nascar and I can promise it will be a hell of a lot more fun to watch, and also if more teams at least have a prayer at winning I bet there will be more team intrest in F1 also.... Win/win situation to me (unless your a Ferrari nut who loves watching them own 14 races ...).
__________________


Pictures of my car
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Reply



Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On



All times are GMT -4. The time now is 10:57 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.6.9
Copyright ©2000 - 2008, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Content Relevant URLs by vBSEO 3.1.0 ©2007, Crawlability, Inc.
Integrated by BBpixel Team 2008 :: jvbPlugin R1012.364.2
DTM Power © 2008
Message Board Statistics

1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 48 49 50 51 52 53 54 55 56 57 58 59 60 61 62 63 64 65 66 67 68 69 70 71 72 73 74 75 76 77 78 79 80 81 82 83 84 85 86 87 88 89 90 91 92 93 94 95 96 97 98 99 100 101 102 103 104 105 106 107 108 109 110 111 112 113 114 115 116 117 118 119 120 121 122 123 124 125 126 127 128 129 130 131 132 133 134 135 136 137 138 139 140 141 142 143 144 145 146 147 148 149 150 151 152 153 154 155 156 157 158 159 160 161 162 163 164 165 166 167 168 169 170 171 172 173 174 175 176 177 178 179 180 181 182 183 184 185 186 187 188 189 190 191 192 193 194 195 196 197 198 199 200 201 202 203 204 205 206 207 208 209 210 211 212 213 214 215 216 217 218 219 220 221 222 223 224 225 226 227 228 229 230 231 232 233 234 235 236 237 238 239 240 241 242 243 244 245 246 247 248 249 250 251 252 253 254 255 256 257 258 259 260 261 262 263 264 265 266 267 268 269 270 271 272 273 274 275 276 277 278 279 280 281 282 283 284 285 286 287 288 289 290 291 292 293 294 295 296 297 298 299 300 301 302 303 304 305 306 307 308 309 310 311 312 313 314 315 316 317 318 319 320 321 322 323 324 325 326 327 328 329 330 331 332 333 334 335 336 337 338 339 340 341 342 343 344 345 346 347 348 349 350 351 352 353 354 355 356 357 358 359 360 361 362 363 364 365 366 367 368 369 370 371 372 373 374 375 376 377 378 379 380 381 382 383 384 385 386 387 388 389 390 391 392 393 394 395 396 397 398 399 400 401 402 403 404 405 406 407 408 409 410 411 412 413 414 415 416 417 418 419 420 421 422 423 424 425 426 427 428 429 430 431 432 433 434 435 436 437 438 439 440 441 442 443 444 445 446 447 448 449 450 451 452 453 454 455 456 457 458 459 460 461 462 463 464 465 466 467 468 469 470 471 472 473 474 475 476 477 478 479 480 481 482 483 484 485 486 487 488 489 490 491 492 493 494 495 496 497 498 499 500 501 502 503 504 505 506 507 508 509 510 511 512 513 514 515 516 517 518 519 520 521 522 523 524 525 526 527 528 529 530 531 532 533 534 535 536 537 538 539 540 541 542 543 544 545 546 547 548