Toyota in Nascar Controversy....

[NRZ]

All im saying is that if Toyota wins a lot there first year. Chevrolet is going out of busniess.

[One 328is]

Originally Posted by S14M3Driver

All im saying is that if Toyota wins a lot there first year. Chevrolet is going out of busniess.

Don't think the chevy teams are going to loose a lot this year. The teams running chevy have done so for years know the total set up better then the new Toyota or even Dodge who has been there a year or two now. 5/6 years from now, who knows.
Also think Ford will go belly up before GM.

[IMBACK]

Originally Posted by Highboosted

But still.......I remember that toyota WRC deal, they sure did a nice job of cheating, just someone on the inside ratted them out.

Hey, i searched for it, but i cannot find what they did in WRC. Can you shead some light on this?? thanks

[AlpinweissM3]

I still can't get over the fact that the Toyota is the only car actually produced in the USA. What is it, the Chevy and Dodge are made in Canada and the Ford is made in Mexico or something like that.

[Highboosted]

Originally Posted by IMBACK

Hey, i searched for it, but i cannot find what they did in WRC. Can you shead some light on this?? thanks

All WRC cars run a restrictor. The turbo has to breath through an opening like 34mm wide (sie of half-dollar i think). They (Toyota) designed a trap door thingy after the restrictor to allow lots more air in so they can make way over the ~300 WHP limit. It was designed to spring closed when the intake tube was unbolted from the car (tech inspectors never found it, even though they had the part in their hands!), and machined so well that you couldn't see the edges of the door. They dominated for a while before somehow the inspectors "discovered" it during a surprise inspection. What makes me think (know?) it was an inside job is that the inspectors didn't LOOK for the part, they went in and removed the exact tube and knew how to operate it, so someone HAD to tell them about it.

The result was instant lifetime manufacturer ban from FIA World Rally.

Honda isnt all angels either, in CART (old turbo days) they designed a tube to "blow" air past the by-pass valve to run more boost than allowed. If you rush air past it fast enough the pressure drops at the sensor and you run more boost than it thinks your running. CART found out and redesigned the sensor and part to make this impossible anymore...then a couple years later turbos were gone...which didn't result in too much loss in speed because during the last season the spec boost pressure was less than 10 psi.

[Highboosted]

Originally Posted by AlpinweissM3

I still can't get over the fact that the Toyota is the only car actually produced in the USA. What is it, the Chevy and Dodge are made in Canada and the Ford is made in Mexico or something like that.

my ford truck was made in kansas city, missouri. Dodge trucks are made in fenton missouri (outside ST. Louis), so it some minivans.

chevy/GMC trucks are made in canada, though.

[AlpinweissM3]

Originally Posted by Highboosted

my ford truck was made in kansas city, missouri. Dodge trucks are made in fenton missouri (outside ST. Louis), so it some minivans.

chevy/GMC trucks are made in canada, though.

I was talking about the cars that actually compete in Nascar. I believe the Fusion is built in Mexico, and the Charger and Impala are both built in Canada. The Camary is the only car that is actually produced here in america

[380_Eurospec]

Oh but it does seem that gm is going under because they were outsold by guess who last year? TOYOTA that is amazing, now they are going into nascar to try and sell more cars that is what it is for. and the reason that gm is going under is because gm has been buying designs off of toyota and using them under their own name for say over 10 years, and now toyota realizes that they can make more money if they actually sell their cars over here under their own name, than if they just get one large lump sum of cash from gm, thats what i see happening.

[frost_dxb]

then its time to see those little cars in the track :-)