Roll Bar on Daily driver

[tatawaki]

since I have no money at the moment, I can't buy a track car just yet.

I take my 325 out on DE and lapping days as often as possible, and getting much faster, and driving more at the limit. I have the lovely leather seats that are slippery as hell

i'm looking at a two things

a) safety at the track (driving the car more at it's limits)
b) secure me down so I don't slide around (so I can concentrate on driving)

for safety, I was thinking 4 or 5 point harness with a roll bar ( not cage because it's my daily driven car)

PROBLEM:
- It's my daily winter/summer car
- I do carry REAR passengers every month or two.


SOLUTION?

[Jed]

Here's another problem with a roll cage on a street driven car-if you get hit, WHAM! It's like having your head hit with a baseball bat-you don't have the protection of your helmet (unless you drive with it on )

It can be a potential danger. Padding MAY help, but highly doubtful.

Just presenting another consideration that I thought of as I am considering a roll bar in my car as well.

[sunir]

Originally Posted by Jed

Here's another problem with a roll cage on a street driven car-if you get hit, WHAM! It's like having your head hit with a baseball bat-you don't have the protection of your helmet (unless you drive with it on )

It can be a potential danger. Padding MAY help, but highly doubtful.

Just presenting another consideration that I thought of as I am considering a roll bar in my car as well.

Jed's correct...it is absolutely dangerous to put a cage in a street car...roll bar is fine but any bars from the main hoop down to the a-pillars can be deadly in an accident if your not wearing the proper safety gear, harnesses, helmet etc...

[DeadSailor]

You should look into the cg lock. it looks kinda retarded, buy my friend has one and it holds you like a beast.

http://www.cg-lock.com/

[tatawaki]

Originally Posted by DeadSailor

You should look into the cg lock. it looks kinda retarded, buy my friend has one and it holds you like a beast.

http://www.cg-lock.com/

I've tried the CGlock, it just doesn't cut it.

I guess my options are not to run a roll bar, and just deal with the risks of track driving.?

[tatawaki]

Originally Posted by sunir

Jed's correct...it is absolutely dangerous to put a cage in a street car...roll bar is fine but any bars from the main hoop down to the a-pillars can be deadly in an accident if your not wearing the proper safety gear, harnesses, helmet etc...

I know cages (bars going to the A pillar) are dangerous, but a ROLL BAR is ok then? I also hear it causes problems with the stock seats colapsing in an accident causing you to hit the roll bar?

[DeadSailor]

er... maybe harness bars are something you might want to look into. they let you run the 4-5 belts without a roll cage or bar

[tatawaki]

Originally Posted by DeadSailor

er... maybe harness bars are something you might want to look into. they let you run the 4-5 belts without a roll cage or bar

Safety is important, i don't want to run harness bars without a cage, if a roll over hapens, say good bye to my head

thanks for suggesting it though

[Jed]

Originally Posted by tatawaki

I know cages (bars going to the A pillar) are dangerous, but a ROLL BAR is ok then? I also hear it causes problems with the stock seats colapsing in an accident causing you to hit the roll bar?

This isn't probably what you want to hear because of cost, but optimally you want shells and roll bar together. Some rollbars (I think the TCK) have a removable cross member-I think that's what you are thinking of.

Going back to the danger of a roll bar on the streets-if you got hit from the side, the bar can still hit you. And as you probably know, shells without a bar or cage is also dangerous if your were to flip-roof collapses and you are just sitting upright and your head meets your ass.

Don't mean to sound like Joe Racer Safety guy.

[sunir]

Originally Posted by Jed

This isn't probably what you want to hear because of cost, but optimally you want shells and roll bar together. Some rollbars (I think the TCK) have a removable cross member-I think that's what you are thinking of.

Going back to the danger of a roll bar on the streets-if you got hit from the side, the bar can still hit you. And as you probably know, shells without a bar or cage is also dangerous if your were to flip-roof collapses and you are just sitting upright and your head meets your ass.

Don't mean to sound like Joe Racer Safety guy.

again, Jeddy's on point...excellent information & advise that can save your ass...

[islasian67]

I dont know much about role cages or roll bars. What are shells? And how much can a roll bar with installation come up to? Im planning on having my car set up for both autotrack and race.

[islasian67]

Also what are the advantages of having a roll bar? Not the hole cage but just the bar in the back. Anyone know a website that has info on roll bars, ect.?

[tatawaki]

shells = not reclining seats
roll bar - protects when you flip the car. it prevents the roof from caving in.
roll cage - protect you in side, front, rear, and rollover collisions/accidents

[tatawaki]

Ok, so my best option for safety is:

a) Racing seat, with roll over bar, SFI padding on the bar

or

b) rollover bar with removable cross frame, SFI padding on the bar

right?


both these options are still extremely dangerous if I carry passengers in my rear seats. hmm.. i guess i have to quit my chaufer job, driving my friends around for nothing.

[islasian67]

Do the roll bars come with a harness for the seat belts? And also do the roll bars help the chasis in anyway? Im in the middle of trying to tune up my chasis.