new slicks from dunlop, might try them out.

[LITEWAITM3]

Haha, yea prepare to have the lip thrashed anyways. Debri and rumble strips will give it a nice lickin.

Just don't try to hard with the slicks at first. I've seen some guys spin right at pit lane...its hilarious, haha. But with your Hp and trq, you will have to be very tame with the power once slicks are on. Hell if you did 1.2g's on that thing with falkens, you will be impressed with the slicks.

But you said you don't have camber plates on yet, you might want to tose those in before the slicks go on, so you can change the camber. G&W should be able to help you at the track if they are there with you. 10min/side probably, and they most likely have all the guages in thier truck to measure it up.

Did you play with any of the shock settings this weekend?

[Dado]

New things for this weekend

Vented PTG hood by MA Shaw
extension for rear wing by Ma Shaw
camber plates ground control
slicks hoosiers sgs
rear shock mounts ground control
next week I am going to add the sway bars (eibach)

yeah we played with the suspension a little bit, David adjusted it for me.

G&W won't be able to help me out this weekend because they will be in Miami racing their cars. One of the tech comes back on Sunday morning to help me out. The car is currently at pro imports going through some check ups to make sure everything is ok.

[LITEWAITM3]

Next weekend try to get the camera working a bit better, maybe pickup the roll bar mount and hookup a good camera so we can hear something I'm very interested to see the paramters it reads.

Have fun

[chuckbilodeau]

Originally posted by Dado
New things for this weekend

Vented PTG hood by MA Shaw
extension for rear wing by Ma Shaw
camber plates ground control
slicks hoosiers sgs
rear shock mounts ground control
next week I am going to add the sway bars (eibach)

Stop putting money into the car and concentrate on your drving. The car is already a million times too capable for most people (Including you, unless you have like 10 years experience racing...). When you are confident that almost nobody can do lap faster than you in YOUR car, then make the car faster, for now, I would make myself faster..
Just my $0.02...

BTW, I will see you this weekend, Just look for the Crazy Cannuck in the white E36 racecar...
(first time with this car on the track!)

[LITEWAITM3]

Thanks you I'll contact you after the event to see how your car did. I dont get my e36 wc car on the track until april

[greateratlanta]

chuckbilodeau,

I think you are missing the point. Dado is working on his driving skills. That is why he is spending another long weekend at a DE to learn the correct racing lines, breaking points etc. Simultaneously, he is dailing his car in. I think he is being very smart about it by taking one variable at a time. Last weekend he turned down his boost to get a feel for the cars setup with coilovers. This weekend he is getting a feel for the car with full slicks using camber plates. It is possible to work on your cars setup while improving your driving skills at the same time.

[PrinceE30]

Originally posted by greateratlanta
chuckbilodeau,

I think you are missing the point. Dado is working on his driving skills. That is why he is spending another long weekend at a DE to learn the correct racing lines, breaking points etc. Simultaneously, he is dailing his car in. I think he is being very smart about it by taking one variable at a time. Last weekend he turned down his boost to get a feel for the cars setup with coilovers. This weekend he is getting a feel for the car with full slicks using camber plates. It is possible to work on your cars setup while improving your driving skills at the same time.

chuck has super valid points here...and the problem I see with Dado's setup for this next weekend is that he for any given track event you should only be changing one thing at a time from DE to DE. The more you change, the more you have to relearn. If you change one thing at a time, you can gradually see how the car changes from the addition/removal or a part or tweak of the suspension.

But honestly, it's hard to turn down a lot of this stuff because of the sponsorship involved in it all. However, the BEST way Dado can represent the companies that sponsor his car is to be the best driver possible for that car.

-Prince

[greateratlanta]

Prince,

I think we are saying the same thing just in two different ways. I agree, you should take one thing(variable) at a time. In the case of running slicks, it was pointed out that you need to adjust camber settings at the same time, otherwise the modification is counterproductive. The bottom line is that Dado is getting seat time, which is the best way to improve lap times.

[LITEWAITM3]

Originally posted by greateratlanta
chuckbilodeau,

I think you are missing the point. Dado is working on his driving skills. That is why he is spending another long weekend at a DE to learn the correct racing lines, breaking points etc. Simultaneously, he is dailing his car in. I think he is being very smart about it by taking one variable at a time. Last weekend he turned down his boost to get a feel for the cars setup with coilovers. This weekend he is getting a feel for the car with full slicks using camber plates. It is possible to work on your cars setup while improving your driving skills at the same time.

No offense, but the above comment/statement has no logic behind it. You are contradicting yourself like 10 times over. If he's working on his driving skills, he should be driving a 1993 showroom stock Sentra Se-r, not a car thats being changed every week with 450hp, and that "sporty (not race)" suspension. Before you can learn a race car, you have to be able to find your own limits with the car itself, and to do that you have to have a LOT of experience on the track, with the car, and with yourself.

Given the circumstances, which are very awwkward/unique whatever you want to call it, he is setting up a racecar before he knows how to drive one. Its like a 10yr old stepping into a 125 shifter kart without ever karting before, and then getting the engine tuned by Swedtech, and trying to adjust the chassis for his driving skill... thats just not how it works.

Eitherway, its going to be a LONG road ahead to get that car prepped enough to be remotely competitive in BMWCCA, which is where they wanted to run it. If his driving skills toimprove substantially and he can turn quick times, then he can start to really dial the car down. But personally, I think he took a bit toomuch on his plate for his first season in this genre of motorsports.

Dont get me wrong, it'll be fun, but because of the manner its being done, it's going to take longer then usual.

Just my 2cents...don't have to hate on it, just what I feel.

[Dado]

Originally posted by greateratlanta
Prince,

In the case of running slicks, it was pointed out that you need to adjust camber settings at the same time, otherwise the modification is counterproductive.

exactlly, createraltanta has got it right. One step at a time.

Same thing goes for the cooling system. I have the oil cooler set aside and it will be on for the third event which will be March 6-7-8. I am getting some base numbers first to see what improvements the hood and oil cooler will do. This weekend I will only have the vented hood and the next I will add the oil cooler.

litewaitm3 don't ASSume stuff because you will make an ass out of yourself. You don't know my background so don't talk about it. Stick to what you know.

[LITEWAITM3]

Aight. Goodluck at the track, keep us posted!

[greateratlanta]

^
Point taken
You obviously have more experience with this than I do and I have no problem bowing out of the discussion. I understand that it takes a lot of track time with good instruction to become confidant with any car and your own driving abilities. I personally feel that people are not giving Dado enough credit. He obviouosly isn't on Boris Said's level but he has some prior experience on the track with racing schools ect.

[LITEWAITM3]

Well I just don't feel arguing our opinions will make any progress. I wish him the best and hope he gets everything worked out and makes it to some bmwcca races. I want to see him race, thats the main thing. Never had anything against him, we met a couple times at regional meets in NJ i setup a while back when DTM first started, have a decent relationship and I was just trying to help.

Eitherway, we'll see how he does, results don't lie, only excuses can be made, hopefully none will be made and he can walk the walk

I am giving him credit, but more on the side where he is getting so much support without any results yet, thats pretty good in my book.

Again, goodluck, and keep us posted!

I have to go back to this bullshit engineering work, later

[caracas_e30]

hey man, LOTs and LOTs of experience dont just turn up all the sudden. People have to start someplace......

[TheWiseGuy]

Guys do Dado and I a favor and let Dado and I concentrate on the car. That just happens to be my job. I like to think that I do it pretty well. His car will be correctly dialed in, bled, and completely set up at all times. I will be by his side this weekend. As well as my other techs(4 people on the tech team). His car we have undercontrol. And believe me, Dado and I are doing ever for a reason. We are under a tight scedule in more ways than one. To clear up everything (even though I'm a little late) about tires, we originally going to run the dot-r dunlop sp super sports. Since then we have found out that they were not the tires we thought. We recently drove down to vir and a friend of ours helped us to some scrub qualifying slicks. These slicks are: Hoosier SGS 245/40/18, and dunlop SP Sport (not super sport) 250/642/18 (USC). We will try these out for now, I will adjust the suspension accordingly, and Dado will get experience under his belt. Oh yeah FYI we have data acq so its not that hard to tell where scrubbing is occuring and where we need more camber.