Manual M5

[E36DJ]

Originally Posted by ithrowcraze

bmw had the right idea by not making that auto/smg in the E39 M5, they should keep it a 6spd only. it should be 6spd forever.

That engine's powerband is TOTALLY different from that of the V10, which calls for a much different aproach to the problem.

[CleanAzzE30z]

Originally Posted by E36DJ

I understand that it's in the best interest of BMW's ideals (to some people) but I feel that cars that feature that M badge are built to go fast - something the SMGIII transmission does perfectly.. EVERY SINGLE TIME, without question.

Dude, calm down. Lest we forget that BMW is a business, which most of us enthusiasts have had to accept while seeing "park distance control", "memory seats", heavier cars, driver assists in countless many applications take control of the cockpit. JUst understand someone elses ideas are different than yours, is that hard? Cool.

[XiaoNio]

I'm with E36DJ on this one. The new M5 was made around the heavy duty close ratio 7-speed and high revving V10 engine (ie. F1 car). Since the engine is already quite frenetic, I doubt they would boost the performance just to make the 6-speed as fast as the 7-speed. I feel like adding the new transmission would change the character of the car. If BMW bows to market pressures and makes a 6-speed, I guess it will be good for those locked into the manual only mind set (I'm one of them), but it won't be what the car was meant to be and that is a shame.

[NakedM3]

Originally Posted by E36DJ

WHY DO YOU GET ME STARTED...

Sorry, this thread has been covered a million times over and will end the same way.

This might be hard for people with little/no grasp for mechanical/engine engineering, but the M5 will not suffer "tenths of a second" with the implimentation of a 6 speed.

IT WILL BE FAR WORSE, have you ever driven a honda S2000? Even with a 6 speed it takes allllllllll day to climb through the lower part of the power band where the engine makes NO power at all. With the subtraction of a gear and a change of ratios, the engine will fall much lower in each gear after a shift, forcing the driver to endure all hell waiting for the motor to develop real power near its 8k+ redline. Granted, double vanos/valvetronic/etc help with the torque (technologies that honda does NOT have in the s2k) but still..

This is not a fault with the engineers at BMW, who I'm sure are extremily pissed off that their masterpiece is going to given poor results in tests after some marketing decision.

They did things the right way. Why couldn't they just leave things be?! Sales for the next M5 are probably booked well into next year and possibly beyond.

I understand that it's in the best interest of BMW's ideals (to some people) but I feel that cars that feature that M badge are built to go fast - something the SMGIII transmission does perfectly.. EVERY SINGLE TIME, without question.



If you want to mis-shift an engine that accounts for a significant chunk of the car's hefty price.. be my guest.

LOL, atleast somebody can exaggerate.

[tdc]

Originally Posted by NakedM3

LOL, atleast somebody can exaggerate.

Ya think?

Trust me that the engineers over at BMWAG are better suited than E36DJ will ever be to design a manual transmission's gear ratios and final drive to optimize the new V10's power output.

I wouldn't be surprised if the manual E60 M5 is on par with the SMG M5.

[NakedM3]

Originally Posted by tdc

Ya think?

Trust me that the engineers over at BMWAG are better suited than E36DJ will ever be to design a manual transmission's gear ratios and final drive to optimize the new V10's power output.

I wouldn't be surprised if the manual E60 M5 is on par with the SMG M5.

I'll bet money a qualified knob thrower will inch away from the SMG M5.

[sjpgoalie]

i bet the launchs will be better with the 6spd, but i dont know much about the launch mode on the smgs. do u guys know if the M6 is also gonna be made over here with the 6spd also?

[NakedM3]

Launches with the SMG will be superior.

[Blackwidow]

Originally Posted by E36DJ

WHY DO YOU GET ME STARTED...

Sorry, this thread has been covered a million times over and will end the same way.

This might be hard for people with little/no grasp for mechanical/engine engineering, but the M5 will not suffer "tenths of a second" with the implimentation of a 6 speed.

IT WILL BE FAR WORSE, have you ever driven a honda S2000? Even with a 6 speed it takes allllllllll day to climb through the lower part of the power band where the engine makes NO power at all. With the subtraction of a gear and a change of ratios, the engine will fall much lower in each gear after a shift, forcing the driver to endure all hell waiting for the motor to develop real power near its 8k+ redline. Granted, double vanos/valvetronic/etc help with the torque (technologies that honda does NOT have in the s2k) but still..

This is not a fault with the engineers at BMW, who I'm sure are extremily pissed off that their masterpiece is going to given poor results in tests after some marketing decision.

They did things the right way. Why couldn't they just leave things be?! Sales for the next M5 are probably booked well into next year and possibly beyond.

I understand that it's in the best interest of BMW's ideals (to some people) but I feel that cars that feature that M badge are built to go fast - something the SMGIII transmission does perfectly.. EVERY SINGLE TIME, without question.



If you want to mis-shift an engine that accounts for a significant chunk of the car's hefty price.. be my guest.

hey man, ever heard of a chill pill?

Do you really think BMW would release there top performance car if the performance suffered so damn much? Everything we say about how it will perform with the 6sp right now is pure speculation. Personnally I think the slight difference in gear ratios wont be all that significant, We'll see...

BTW you were wrong when you said there HAD to be a 7sp in the new M5 in previous threads.

[sjpgoalie]

Originally Posted by E36DJ

WHY DO YOU GET ME STARTED...



IT WILL BE FAR WORSE, have you ever driven a honda S2000? Even with a 6 speed it takes allllllllll day to climb through the lower part of the power band where the engine makes NO power at all.

You are forgetting that the Honda S2000 is an inline 4 cylinder with a displacement of 2157cc and the E60 M5 has a V10 displacing 5000cc. Um...i think the m5 with a six speed will clime through the gears with a little more ease than an S2000 with a motor which is less than half the size of m5's.

Stop trying to talk like u know everything about the technology of BMW's. The M line does not usually skimp on performance and functionality I think they will find a decent comprmise as they move to a six speed.....

[2001eurom3]

Right, I feel that we BMW drivers should always have some type of manual or 6-speed transmission because it is what sets us apart from the MBZ drivers. BMW owners are real drivers not just cruizers!

[hammerfang]

Originally Posted by 2001eurom3

Right, I feel that we BMW drivers should always have some type of manual or 6-speed transmission because it is what sets us apart from the MBZ drivers. BMW owners are real drivers not just cruizers!

[caracas_e30]

The design of the M5 tranny forced the engineers to use an SMG type gearbox. The way it is laid out does not allow use of a manual type gearbox.

Bimmer magazine had the tranny lay out pictured in one of there issues a while back and it was pretty evident why SMG was the obvious choice and performance oriented choice too. BMW engineers know what they are doing...lets leave it at that.

But true enthusiasts will always want their manual gearboxes. God help BMW if they choose to erase manuals altogether from their lineup...though over 65% of bimmers sold are autos.

[Jd886]

totaly owned....

gotta love the forums

[radsock]

Originally Posted by dieselnuts

thats what im sayin. what fun could it really be w/o a clutch.

I am guesing you havent driven a E46 m3 with smg and experienced "launch
mode". also as far as real world performance goes out side of the magazine
articles, every manuel trans car i have raced against with, the smg m3 always
gains ground on the manuel shifting car everytime it shifts.