Mercedes-McLaren over...

[motorsports_3]

Mercedes and Mclaren are offically apart now. They didnt seem to get along to well. And Mclaren did not like Mercedes business practices, andway of markering.

[ice533]

In road car making? They're not apart in F1 are they?

[caracas_e30]

Nope. Their companionship is dead.

McLaren has stopped development of their P9 and P8 supercars that were supposed to succeed the SLR.

[nickmpower]

they didnt work well together, the 6XX hp slr is slower around the nuerbergring then the 350hp csl

[Zerrus]

McLaren just needs to build their own cars (with an M engine of course) they were just better that way.

[E36DJ]

Originally Posted by Zerrus

McLaren just needs to build their own cars (with an M engine of course) they were just better that way.

Exactly, they achieved spectacular results when teamed up with BMW.

Imagine the possibility of BMW McLaren in formula 1?

[Impulsed7]

they might beat ferrari, might.

[E36DJ]

Anyone have a link to any sort of news article about this? I can't find any info at all.

[BeArs]

Just out of curiosity when BMW built the v12 that went into the mclaren F1.. weren't they considered partners already? or was that just temporary? and if so wtf happened that they decided to deal with mercedes instead. As I recall the mclaren company mades it's breakthrough with a BMW engine...

[E36DJ]

Originally Posted by BeArs

Just out of curiosity when BMW built the v12 that went into the mclaren F1.. weren't they considered partners already? or was that just temporary? and if so wtf happened that they decided to deal with mercedes instead. As I recall the mclaren company mades it's breakthrough with a BMW engine...

I think there's a fair amount of documentation on the "agreement" that they had, from what I remember hearing BMW was not interested in selling their name in the long-run with another company.

But no, they were not partners at the time. Gordon Murray (who recently resigned from McLaren.. which is EXTREMILY sad) basically asked for proposals from a number of companies. Mercedes and others didn't even come close to BMW which I think exceeded HP numbers considerably (even today, over 100hp/liter on an engine that massive is simply unbelievable.)

The creation of the SLR and the McLaren F1 are TOTALLY different. The F1 was from the ground up.. a McLaren. The SLR was a branch-off marketing venture by Mercedes and McLaren, and honeslty I think Mercedes had more to do with it than McLaren did. This is exactly the type of bond that BMW refuses to join in other companies with (even though they already have an aero/chassis company for Formula 1, so I think both sides were content.)


The thing I find most ironic is that Mercedes is working for a company that was essentially put on the map by their largest competitor; BMW.

[BeArs]

Ya that's what I mean.. Like if you had previously done great by having an engine down by one company ( bmw ) why go to another? It's not say that mercedes is inferior, I am just wondering on the purpose. I know the SLR is a completely different car, I'm just curious that's all. I don't know much about the SLR so correct me if I'm wrong. The mclaren F1 was a naturally aspirated v12 as to the SLR is a supercharged v8 correct?

[Blackwidow]

So who owns McLaren?

Cause with Fiat having money troubles, and GM refuses to buy them Ferrari may not be looking all that good.

At least Benz had much money to pump into McLaren if needed. I didnt like the partnership, but I'm concerned if they can keep thier head above water.

[JetBlack330Ci]

Originally Posted by motorsports_3

Mercedes and Mclaren are offically apart now. They didnt seem to get along to well. And Mclaren did not like Mercedes business practices, andway of markering.

I've not heard of this or read it anywhere. Where did you hear about it?
McLaren and Benz are at least in for another year in F1 with the MP4-20, Kimmi has been showing off its potential:

KIMI SHOWS MP4-20'S POTENTIAL
Last Updated: Friday, 04, February, 2005, 14:42
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McLaren’s domination of this week’s Valencia test continued on Thursday, with Kimi Raikkonen topping the times in the new MP4-20.

More significant was the fact that the Finn outpaced the 2004-spec MP4-19B driven by the team’s test driver Alex Wurz.

If the rulemakers have indeed – as they claim – cut downforce by 25 per cent thanks to the new aerodynamic regulations, the engineers have clearly managed to claw back a major portion of that deficit before the season is even underway.

Raikkonen’s time of 1m09.005s was only a few hundredths shy of the unofficial lap record at Valencia which he set last February, and put him nearly a second clear of Wurz on the day.

As the yawning margin suggests, Raikkonen’s best lap was achieved on a low-fuel run – a point that was emphasised when his car ran dry out on the circuit immediately after his flyer.

Another driver who almost certainly opted for a low-fuel special was Jarno Trulli, a surprising third quickest in the Toyota TF105.

Fernando Alonso concentrated on long runs but still managed to clock the fourth fastest time in the promising Renault R25. Team-mate Giancarlo Fisichella was a couple of tenths slower in seventh despite a technical problem.

Renault’s chief test engineer Christian Silk declared himself satisfied with the outcome of the three-day test.

He said: “Overall, we are very pleased with the car’s performance – we know that it is sound and quite competitive. We are still experiencing some problems, but that is normal at this stage of the season, and we will begin testing solutions next week in Jerez.”

Takuma Sato was again the standard-bearer for BAR in fifth place, but admitted that he was having difficulty finding a Michelin tyre compound that gave him a comfortable balance on the 007.

Jenson Button was more than a second adrift of his Japanese team-mate in 11th place, and the early signs are that BAR still have some work to do to gain both speed and reliability.

Meanwhile a spanner seems to have got into the works at Ferrari, usually paragons of reliability. Michael Schumacher’s tyre evaluation work in an F2004 was interrupted by two stoppages and he managed only the eighth best time. Rubens Barrichello was 10th in the F2004M.

Schumacher said: “We had an engine defect, which was probably caused by another problem before. There was something which we did wrong that caused the second red flag. But as long as we can explain and understand these things then we are not worried.”

BAR continued their young driver assessment programme, with Adam Carroll getting a run in the morning and fellow British F3 standout James Rossiter taking over in the afternoon.

The original is here: http://www.itv-f1.com/News_Article.aspx?PO_ID=32014

Here you can find the McLaren team details, it shows a Mercedes V10 for 2005

http://www.itv-f1.com/Teams.aspx?id=1560

[MP3Guy]

Here's the article....


More discussion over on AudiWorld...

[BavBrwlr]

in the case of the mclaren f1, that car was all mclaren, they just asked bimmer for an engine, and even then mclaren gave them detailed specs for the engine. thats why the f1 is to this day in a league of its own. the SLR was a bling sports car that mercedes felt they needed to make. not that i wouldnt enjoy the hell out it