mildly ammusing chat about m3s...

[WS6TransAm01]

Originally posted by method829
I didn't think mustang owner had such respect for bmw. "brings a tear to my eye"

Why should they? You call them all rednecks!

Why should they respect some one who thinks he/she is better then them?

[01BMW3Coupe]

i have to agree....not to diss anyone on this forum because i still think its an informative site, but the discussions are rather dull and redundant. also, theres a lot more to say when it comes to an american car, in contrast to the ordinary discussion whether someone should get 19"s, roll their fenders, get aluminum trim, yada yada yada. I've hung out with these "gear heads" and they are probably the most passionate and well informed and repsonsible owners i've ever seen. And despite what anyone says, they're not rednecks....many are very successful young adults (mostly older) that know a thing or two more than most of these kids on this site.

Also, with these "rustangs" or "craparos", you can do accompolish sooo much more when it comes to performance....for half the price of what we pay for our cars, you can make a LS1 trans am obtain blistering performance that'll out run vipers and probably outhandle a bone stock M3 (ask WS6 Trans Am to confirm this). Now that i find interesting and astonishing....im sorry, but over-styled cars with pretty audio systems and dropped suspensions dont appeal to me.

[Ximian]

WS6TransAm01: If you don't like this forum, then by all means leave.

If you want "tech talk" then donate some money then you'll have access to the Tech Forums.

Otherwise, hush up.

[tdc]

Originally posted by WS6TransAm01
In fact there is a lot more tech chat going on then on this forum.

You just don't have access to the Tech Forums. The amount of knowledge the E30 and E36 guys have is astounding.

And the Forced Induction section is a pretty well-informed bunch as well.

Oh, not everyone on DTMPower is on a BMW ego-trip. You will find many a CAR enthusiast here if you hang around long enough. Granted, it's not the majority of the membership but we are out there.

[01BMW3Coupe]

Originally posted by tdc
You just don't have access to the Tech Forums. The amount of knowledge the E30 and E36 guys have is astounding.

And the Forced Induction section is a pretty well-informed bunch as well.

Oh, not everyone on DTMPower is on a BMW ego-trip. You will find many a CAR enthusiast here if you hang around long enough. Granted, it's not the majority of the membership but we are out there.

i hope there are more people like that out there....because lately i havent been seeing much of that. again, this is nothing personal....this is what i've witnessed and experienced lately on many reputable forums. and yes, i have to agree, many E30/E36 people are very informed.....mostly parallel to the Fbody/LS1 people i know.

[tdc]

Originally posted by 01BMW3Coupe
i hope there are more people like that out there....because lately i havent been seeing much of that. again, this is nothing personal....this is what i've witnessed and experienced lately on many reputable forums

Trust me, a lot of people agree with you. But for some reason they either 1) Like to lurk and comment only when necessary or 2) feel many will not understand nor appreciate where they are coming from.

Oh, and WS6, I don't think that person meant anything bad saying Mustang owners have respect for BMWs but rather surprised to see that they did.

[WS6TransAm01]

This i dont get, why should some one have to pay to share knowlege? I understand the donation thing but dont you have sponcers? All the forums I have been on there are no closed sections for which u have to pay to get addmition.

Its not that I dont like this forum, I do, I did not come here to learn something new, I just came to chat with other car enthusiests. Regardless of the mark of car they drive.

I just dont like those of you who think they are better then me or the mustang drivers just couz of the car you have.

BTW, there was, is and will be a huge fude between the Mustang [Ford] crowd and the Camaro/Firebird Corvette [GM] guys. We even have track days that are Camaro/Firebird Vs Mustang. So dont like Pusstang/Crustang owners eather.

[BLACKTAPE]

"The new M3 is the german Z06"
"They have varitable valve timing, but it's far supior to honduh's VTEC"

hahahahahaah

[tdc]

It's all about the way you look at things. From our point of view, the tech sections are part of the extras for donating to the site - something akin to a token of appreciation. As for paying to share knowledge, can you explain that concept to NYU for me? They sure as hell LOVED to charge me to gain knowledge.

Well, glad to have you aboard to chat amongst fellow enthusiasts. And I'm better then you not because of what kind of car I drive but because I know how to spell correctly.

And the Chevy/Ford rivalry is neverending. Even with the demise of the F-body GM cars, the feud is still strong. I just hope that Lutz realizes the importance of the Pony car and has something up his sleeve to pit against the 2005 Mustang (which if they leave close to the concept car will be one sick car). How sick would it be to have a reborn Camaro/Firebird with a detuned LS6 powering the rear wheels through a 6pd wrapped in a smaller and lighter body and all for less than 30K???

All I know is that if GM wants to remain in that market, they need to do something good and something quick.

:edit:

Originally posted by BLACKTAPE
"The new M3 is the german Z06"
"They have varitable valve timing, but it's far supior to honduh's VTEC"

hahahahahaah

I don't see why that is funny.

Comparing the E46 M3's power to a Z06 is a compliment.

And I'd like to think the Double VANOS and the new VALVETRONIC technology is superior to Honda's VTEC system.

[WS6TransAm01]

Anything is supirior to a Honda

Still love a good old fationed Hydrolic Roller Pushrod V8.

There’s no replacement for displacement!

[WS6TransAm01]

The F-body has a detuned LS6 now... its the LS1 . Same design block, slightly milder cam and heads.

The new stuff on the drawing board for GM might leave everyone in the dust. The 2005 Vette is planed to have a 427CID LS6 puting over 500 to the rear wheels. If the 346CID Z06 car run door handle to door handle with a Viper now thing of what this one will be?

Another new motor in the planing is a Camless LS6. Will be able to rev to 15,000RPM. I cant wait to see/drive that! .

As far as paying for a forum, I guess I am just used to my sites. But this is just a thought... There are plenty of guys out there who sell BMW parts, why not have them sponser the site? That way all sections will be free.

When it comes to spelling... I am in Architecture school... I need to learn how to draw, not spell.

[Ximian]

And the main reason that DTMPower requires a donation is that the upkeep of this site is rather great. To pay for the bandwidth is probably the most expensive of all, since, although I don't know the actual going rate for it, is over $1,000 USD per month. (Again, could be less, could be more.) Its not like every company has the financial resources to be advertised on DTMPower.net and some that do, like AA for instance, don't need to since they'd get the advertisement for free by "word of mouth."

The access to the tech forum and the videos is well worth the $10 minimum annual dontion. (I still have to donate, no PayPal account so I'm relying on my brothers and since he is a lazy/busy bastard, it's taking a long while.) I know it'll be the best $10 ever spent. (Except maybe that $5 for the hard drive I'm getting. 20GBs worth of porn, damn sweet!) And when I do get my own account, I'll pump more money into it to keep this place going and going great.

As for the additudes part of certain type car owners, its mainly sterotypes that create this problem. Some think domestic car owners (Mustangs/Cameros/Firebirds) are rednecks and others think BMW and other German car owners are spoiled kids who's parents baught their car and they have that "better than everyone else" idea implanted in their mind because of that certain maurqee.

I'm sure that most people here have a certain respect for Mustangs and Cameros, but believe it or not, most of the younger owners are quite cocky and think their car is the fastest on the road. That's why they might not like that part. Again, others just might not like the style.

The main problem with these arguments that are going on are those immature drivers that cause the stereotypes and cause the problems. Well anyway, that's just my idea of it.

[PrinceE30]

VTEC is in NO WAY less superior to VANOS.

Think about it this way...

With VANOS, you can only change the timing of the cam shaft. That means it'll lift sooner or later. It'll never change the lobes of the actual camshaft. And think about what all you people pay money for to get more HP from your car...new (schrick usually) camshafts.

VTEC allows you to run a tame, torqey, gas milage cam at one stage, mid-level cam in your intermediate RPMS, and crazy lift cams up high for awesome power.

VTEC IS superior to VANOS imho. It's the reason Nissan has taken so long to come out with a VVT engine, because whereas most companies (Porsche Variocam, Toyota VVTi, etc) chose to use cam timing changes....Nissan developed a system like VTEC and now has 240HP SE20VET engines...

To conclude, though valve timing is important...lift and duration are MORE important.

Educational Note:
VTEC = Valve Timing and Electronic lift Control

-Prince

[Rob ITR1035]

its no use prince, mention the 'v' word and people go nuts.

[PrinceE30]

I think there are like 5 people on all of DTM (us included) that actually understand what variable valve timing, lift, duration, etc are all about. And it's this simple fact that annoys me about DTM.

by the way, Rob, you're sig is awesome!

-Prince