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Old 12-11-2001, 11:13 AM
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superchargers dont put out that much HP ?

im surprised. a dinan powerdyne blower only give you 50hp on a OBDI ?? how much do ESS and ERT and RMS give to a obdII m3 ?? also are powerdyne THAT bad ? i know the vortech is better tough
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Old 12-11-2001, 11:27 AM
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I think you are looking at rear wheel numbers and only seeing a 60 HP gain compared to crank numbers on a stock M3. You need to compare apples to apples. Blowers typically give 100+ increase.
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Old 12-11-2001, 11:55 AM
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On a stock e36 325... I remember seeing it go from 189 to 280 at the crank... thats a pretty big increase... i forgot which SC is was though.
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well my rwhp is 276 now. I dont know what stock rwhp is. Cant complain at all about that kind of increase though.
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Old 12-11-2001, 12:16 PM
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Is a blower the same thing as a S/C? Sorry but I dont know much about anything really
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Is a blower the same thing as a S/C? Sorry but I dont know much about anything really
blower could mean supercharger or turbocharger
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cool thanks Then do you have a turbo or a S/C?


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blower could mean supercharger or turbocharger
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in general people use blower to mean supercharger, but technically any mechanically-driven air pump (axial flow, centrigual, positive displacement) can be a blower.
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Old 12-11-2001, 12:42 PM
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A quick how to on forced induction. Assuming that timing and fuel delivery are in line, the power a turbo or super charger generates is almost straight line proportional to the amount of air they are forcing in. However to preasurize the incoming charge causes it to heat up thus effectivly limiting the amount you could stuff in. Crunch it too much and it will burn in the manifolds. And remember that while a supercharger can generate 2-300 HP it also takes about 100 or so to run it depending on the setup. What that means is it is always leaching off the available power. Turbos rely on exhaust gas to sping them up and while they don't leach off of engine power they require a low static compression which means when you're not spinnign them the engine is a boat ancor.

So when you see the Dinan figures giving only 50BHp at the wheels it dosen't seem like all that much but when you think of 50 extra BHp across the whole powerband thats pretty nice.

Friend of mine works for Garrett and he's got a turbocharged 302 in a heavy chevelle. These engines in NA form were real high winders, 3500-7500 with a 4500 cruise. With the twin turbo setup he's able to make an extra 150-200 but the system dosen't spin them up fully until he's pulling about 6k. Why? because he'd kill the mill using the boost lower down the curve. Same logic applies with Dinan; any giving relative Hp boost could be dialed in but things get stupid fast if you overpower a car. How many of us have seen the usual 5.0 owner who has worked that poor pony to the hilt for somehting scarry like 400hp and no matter how hard they try it drives like hammered snot. Too snotty hook up going straight, too twitchy to turn and about all it does is cruise the strip boiling the hides at stoplights. Thats not real fun, trust me I've been there.
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. Crunch it too much and it will burn in the manifolds

you're talking carbueretors, my friend. Not true of fuel injected engines.
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well

superchargers can give decent HP...but torque suffers; cant compare with a turbo'd car!
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Old 12-11-2001, 01:23 PM
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uhh

naah, i saw dinan numbers as 250 rear wheel HP on an obd2 m3 with their supercharger ... so normally it would have about 200 rwhp ... these numbers are underestimating it right ? so what do u guys htink about powerdyne
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Re: uhh

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naah, i saw dinan numbers as 250 rear wheel HP on an obd2 m3 with their supercharger ... so normally it would have about 200 rwhp ... these numbers are underestimating it right ? so what do u guys htink about powerdyne
somethings wrong with that number. I have a 325 and my number is much higher. VShah's car dynoed at n about 300 to the wheels, and I believe he has OBD2. Dont know what you're looking at.
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Re: uhh

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naah, i saw dinan numbers as 250 rear wheel HP on an obd2 m3 with their supercharger ... so normally it would have about 200 rwhp ... these numbers are underestimating it right ? so what do u guys htink about powerdyne
With 250 to the wheels it was probably suffering from heat soak. I have seen 300 rwhp from dinan superchargers. powerdynes work well also but some people have had problems with the internal belt breaking, then again some people have had no problems. The vortech unit is pretty much bullet proof.
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Re: Re: uhh

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VShah's car dynoed at n about 300 to the wheels, and I believe he has OBD2.
Yes, I have OBD2 and dynoed 300 to the wheels. The car you saw that dynoed 250 was either extremely heat-soaked, wasn't tuned right, or could have been dynoed on a Mustang dyno which gives lower numbers.
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