This one is for all the people on Bf.C

[UrineMachine]

It's a sad day when a person is attacked, over and over, responds and is sent to time out. I have been a member on all of the BMW forums since 2003, and never have I seen such out of control, blatant disregard to individuals, variable moderation, and ultimate lost fairness. You can call me what I want, you can say I talk out of my ass - but I have proven to every person who has questioned me what my setup, my ECU, and my ideas can do once given a chance. There are and will be many haters - I don't care about them. There are other people who will argue for the sake of arguing and no matter how right you may be or wrong they may be, it will stalemate. I have had this experience over and over with members from that forum (very few members, but high frequency with said members) in the name of both sides inability to settle matters in regard to "who is right?". On one hand we have a "professional" who is supposed to be well versed in theory, etc., and on the other hand we have an "amateur" who doesn't know his shit from his ass. Myself being the latter, has done nothing but prove that theory is great in vacuums and space, but here on earth, experience is everything. I have done everything to my car and others I have worked on in the name of "what works". I am to this day criticized with such nonsense by said member as to "Urinemachine doesn't even get on boost in his car."

The other plague of bimmerforums is the mindset that BMW = $ and FI BMW = $$$. WRONG. These are cars. Think what you want - if you want to go to the dealership and have them convince you that their M8x1.25 bolts are $45 and Honda M8x1.25 bolts are $0.70, and you see nothing wrong, then fine this argument is not for you, send your car and a blank check to the powers that be. However, I am not the type to lay down silently and watch a thread called "I have a misfire on #5" turn into a certain user _3__s__r saying "Go send your car to _C_, they'll fix it!" I am not the kind of person who endorses and ECU that does not allow you to download your settings from it. I am not the kind of person who hides my successes under invoices with $xx,xxx.xx at the bottom. I come from a whole other realm not understood by most people let alone most BMW owners. I configure and modify/install/write software for systems that are free. This may blow your mind, but you may see me posting defending MS or defending my motor build or defending my point of view as to what is right or wrong in a certain instance, and you might think "Wow he really wants their $" and you'd be PLAIN wrong. I support open source ECUs, with open source software, modify said software for people running BMW's specifically. I install these ECUs for free, on the cars of people I know, I then help them road tune them... for free..... until they are satisfied with how a vehicle drives.

I showed people an excel spreadsheet outlining all necessary parts for a <$2,750 turbo build capable of over 700 hp based on the turbocharger alone should you have enough motor to run that. That is including the ECU! I have shown people that it does not cost $4,000 that people ask to build a low compression factory fresh motor for turbocharging purposes. Not only have I gone that low but myself and a good friend have shown that you can ceramic coat your pistons, parts, powdercoat your parts, etc., etc., etc., all on small dimes. For what? What am I gaining by sharing with people the easy, cheap, affordable ways of doing things with the SAME RESULTS as the big names? Nothing. I built an ECU for a car down in Georgia that dyno'd 468 whp... all on an MS1 ECU that is said to not work yada yada yada, and rather than praise and interest, because of the environment that dwells on bf.c, there are skeptics and haters who call it out and wanting proof of this that and the other.

Fine. Hate on me because I am trying to help people out who may not have pockets like the grand canyon. Hate on me because I don't support the solutions vendors sell that don't allow you to alter your own system. Hate on me for offering all of my help, oftentimes before my friends and family, in the name of getting people where they want to be without hassle. I took a phone call today from a guy in NJ I am building an ECU for while waiting to hear back from a job I am lining up re: references. If that's not a willingness to help others at the sake of self, I don't know what is.

Then enter bf.c

There is currently a thread on there bashing me. In fact, Cameron, you even supported the cause by quoting it. There are members over there who think I am unprofessional, this, that, and the other, and that's fine - you've not met me in person and the truth is I am not running a profession on a forum!!!! It's a forum - its a social network, its a means to laugh cry argue and embrace all things BMW and thats all it is to me. I don't have to be professional I am not a vendor I am not a company and I am not a sponsor. There are, however, vendors, companies, and sponsors on there, those of which I will NOT name, that ARE representing a profession - these are the same people I mentioned above, hating on me, making fun of me, turning things personal, taking over $200 of my hard earned sparse money, and then harassing me and telling me that my build never sees boost. That's right, my daily driven (I am now 135 miles from my house in NJ, btw) and abused 5 turbo car never sees boost. I could have a list of people longer than the number of customers this person has had, claiming that I do abuse and boost this thing, but it's not worth my time - I have nothing to prove to anyone. So while I sit in time out on a forum I have done nothing but devote my time to PMs, Emails, diagrams, how-tos, pioneering this, defining that, etc., etc., etc., there exists a thread with:

"Yes, please keep this to UM bashing only."

Cameron agreeing, "Just caught this...

roffle the waffle "

and it goes on.

So, hopefully DTM will let this thread sit. If it turns into another shit throwing fest, delete the thread. I can't reply to you people on bf.c and I honestly have very little motivation any more to do so.

This has really made it that much more apparent that rather than helping the people who hate me, perhaps I should spend more time with my friends and family who do value the devotion and commitment of work I give them.

[Jordanmd88]

POOP on mean people

[UrineMachine]

Originally Posted by Jordanmd88

POOP on mean people

Meh I just want to get it out there that I am not an asshole that just criticizes everything - I engage in intelligent debate, people feel threatened, and shit gets ugly. I don't make things personal when it doesn't have to be, yet other people seem quicker to do so.

Meh.

[Carmen]

What brought all this on?

[Highboosted]

And people wonder why I don't bother to even post over there....

I don't post there because I don't bother to go around and try to impress forum jockeys, I care about the sharing of helpful information, and that doesn't go well over there.

[UrineMachine]

Originally Posted by Highboosted

And people wonder why I don't bother to even post over there....

I don't post there because I don't bother to go around and try to impress forum jockeys, I care about the sharing of helpful information, and that doesn't go well over there.

What you say is true. I am banned from there, getting a lot done in the meantime though! However, someone posted a thread about MS vs another ECU and dyno proof etc., I am unable to post and everything posted in the thread is between the OP and people who chime in... and my name is brought up by a supporting vendor and he is telling people:

"The problem (as can be seen in the above linked thread) is that Jon doesn't understand a lot of things, like precision, accuracy, speed, etc... He is also really bad at that whole "logic" thing."

Very classy of a supporting vendor to speak about someone while they're not allowed to post. I am in TO for using bad language in response to the supporting vendor bashing my car/setup, and now that I am unable to post, he is shit talking.

He's already got $200 of my money for stuff I purchased (foolishly) through him, but he'll never have my respect.

[m3jasper]

Just going to throw in my 2 cents about my personal experiences with you...

I'll give it to you, without a doubt, that you provide a lot of resources to bf.c. However, you have insulted me multiple times for absolutely no reason. It all started when I posted a thread on Hooman's car when George started it one day in the shop and you posted, "Cool, it revs." Then a couple of weeks later, you make a thread showing how a MS unit can start a car and it idles. To which I respond, "Cool, it revs." Robstah and yourself immediately started with the insults and attacks. Why? You did the same thing before and I was simply replying with the same wise-ass comment as you. Why did you have to go there?

Then there were a bunch of other times where if someone posted about ICS and I responded, being that I knew the answer to the questions, you would attack me. There was a "does your jaw hurt from sucking on George's cock" and a bunch of other times you went on about how I was on George's balls, etc. Lastly, there was the comment of is "George is in the shower", granted that I asked for that one since I made fun of you about the whole "returning the studs" thing that you had going with Techno550. I also remember when you attacked me because I defended Josh. Then you started the whole "built not bought" thing. Then there was the whole thing that I was an idiot for spending "so" much money blower setup. Dude, it's my prerogative as to how I spend my money.

That's just my experience with you. I dunno if you dislike me because you don't like ICS, but whatever the reason may be...I honestly don't care. This is just the internet and a forum where we share our experiences about our cars, there are many more important things in life. So don't lose any sleep over this type of stuff.

You have to remember that simply because someone wants to do things differently than what you see "appropriate" it doesn't mean that you have to bash/attack them. Also, keep in mind that we are all enthusiasts seeking more power for our BMW's, so why not just get along with everyone and leave the shitty attitude somewhere else? If you are willing to offer advice, which you obviously do very much (this is a great thing), and the person doesn't want to listen...just let it go. You did your part, if that particular person is an idiot...then let him/her learn the hard way.

I hope to someday meet you and check your car out. I've been told you are really cool in person, so I look forward to it. I would imagine that since you have so many VW's friends, that are going to Waterfest...if that's the case, stop by the ICS booth and say hi.

[Highboosting///M3]

Interesting that the only name you bring up is me. When I haven't been arguing with you. In fact, I think you have done a great job for the BMW FI community. Especially after you told me you charge like nothing at all for building the Megasquirt ECUs for people.

We had issues in the past but I am cool now. As long as it doesn't get personal I am on your side man.

[UrineMachine]

Originally Posted by m3jasper

Just going to throw in my 2 cents about my personal experiences with you...

I'll give it to you, without a doubt, that you provide a lot of resources to bf.c. However, you have insulted me multiple times for absolutely no reason. It all started when I posted a thread on Hooman's car when George started it one day in the shop and you posted, "Cool, it revs." Then a couple of weeks later, you make a thread showing how a MS unit can start a car and it idles. To which I respond, "Cool, it revs." Robstah and yourself immediately started with the insults and attacks. Why? You did the same thing before and I was simply replying with the same wise-ass comment as you. Why did you have to go there?

Then there were a bunch of other times where if someone posted about ICS and I responded, being that I knew the answer to the questions, you would attack me. There was a "does your jaw hurt from sucking on George's cock" and a bunch of other times you went on about how I was on George's balls, etc. Lastly, there was the comment of is "George is in the shower", granted that I asked for that one since I made fun of you about the whole "returning the studs" thing that you had going with Techno550. I also remember when you attacked me because I defended Josh. Then you started the whole "built not bought" thing. Then there was the whole thing that I was an idiot for spending "so" much money blower setup. Dude, it's my prerogative as to how I spend my money.

That's just my experience with you. I dunno if you dislike me because you don't like ICS, but whatever the reason may be...I honestly don't care. This is just the internet and a forum where we share our experiences about our cars, there are many more important things in life. So don't lose any sleep over this type of stuff.

You have to remember that simply because someone wants to do things differently than what you see "appropriate" it doesn't mean that you have to bash/attack them. Also, keep in mind that we are all enthusiasts seeking more power for our BMW's, so why not just get along with everyone and leave the shitty attitude somewhere else? If you are willing to offer advice, which you obviously do very much (this is a great thing), and the person doesn't want to listen...just let it go. You did your part, if that particular person is an idiot...then let him/her learn the hard way.

I hope to someday meet you and check your car out. I've been told you are really cool in person, so I look forward to it. I would imagine that since you have so many VW's friends, that are going to Waterfest...if that's the case, stop by the ICS booth and say hi.

Here's the thing Jasper - The difference between my poking fun and making comments and your poking fun and making comments, is that I will say something light heartedly and make it so far out of proportion that it is interpreted as such. That's how it started. The reason the "Cool, it revs" comment came up (i forgot about this, btw) was because I posted a video a while before, and someone (NOT YOU) posted that to me. I posted it at the ICS thread because it was posted to me, at that point I didn't have any issue with you or ICS (I still don't, I don't give a fuck if you knew me in person you'd understand me). Then, when posted @ ICS thread, you reacted, and got all up on my stuff hassling me about this that and the other. What I think is too much to spend is irrelevant of what you spent - if someone came up and said "omfg that holset is way too large" I'd be like "yeah that's cool I dunno it's what I wanted". I just did this tonight at a meet, "Do you really need that much turbo?!" "well eh not really at this point but hopefully i will, I want to go big, so whatever" I don't get all bent out of shape over it. More over, I don't hold grudges. The interaction between Techno550, you, matt, etc., is not a grudge. I excuse each and every time I have an issue with one of you. Think about it - Techno550 argues everything I say, yet I gave him $200 for a oil T and a set of head studs... how does that make sense if I am pissed? The problem I have most is with Techno550 and believe you me, I have heard in person people complain about him and you know what I say? I could say "Oh dude that guy ______________________!! I _____________________ him!" But what I say is "yeah he seems to want to argue a lot I dunno he has valid points at times but I feel that experience outweighs theory sometimes, etc...."

HOWEVER

I get TO'd for saying "a**hole" (verbatim) and then you guys go and "dedicate a thread to bashing UM". You guys definitely have more of an issue with me than I with you - I want you to know that. Dude, I have my hands in on high horsepower shops all around NE US, and there is drama between all of them, and you know what? WHO CARES?! I hang out with NLS guys who hate Schimmel Performance, who hates EIP tuning, who hates AWE tuning, and you know what? I am friends with them all. I have been ripped off by companies with friends working for them, and it doesn't phase me - if you had any idea who/how I am in person, you'd never be taking ANYTHING I say to heart. The built not bought thing, yeah thats a joke that extends external of bf.c - i have a friend with a 600 hp Z06 all motor that he built - we started talking the built not bought thing at a meet I went to and since then it's been funny. I have friends dropping insane amounts of cash on stuff that would probably make you cringe, and I still say shit to them. You know how I am - I don't (didn't... I found a job ) have a lot of money, and honestly half the engines that are built on bf.c are over built and will never utilize their parts, so whats the harm? Not to mention - it doesn't require $8k for a turbo kit and $4k for an engine build... and I wanted to give the people who are/were in my position to see! Plus, I enjoy the shit I do! I know you had your car done at a shop and personally my BEST FRIEND had his car fully built at Schimmel, and it comes up often "Hey how did you instal... oh shit, right" and we joke about it. Its not your thing - I get it. I don't force it on anyone. What I hate... absolutely HATE... is the "I need tuning" ok you need to spend $800+ on a chiptune. I can't tell you how much that pisses me off. I come from a background of software development/hardware development that is done for free. I don't expect you to quantify that, but when someone says "Oh well you need $2500 for a TEC3 to do that" I say "Oh yeah?" - its me. Jet Hot quoted me $160 to coat a turbo housing. I found their supplier for coatings and did it for $35. It's what I do.

I hope through this post you better understand. There are very few things you could say to me that I'd take to heart and you haven't ever said those things - I would have no reservation walking up to you at the ICS booth and saying what's up. Whether or not you are cool about is for you to decide, but know that no matter what your reaction might be, I don't really care if you have nothing nice to say. It wouldn't be the first time I go out of my way to keep things chill and have someone be cold about it, but it won't be my last.

The things you say make me laugh more than get offended because they're not really weighty. You don't bash things that i have experience with, develop with, and implement, and try and tell me what it will and won't do. You don't talk down on people like you have a throne in the clouds. You don't tell people "No you're wrong" or "____ doesn't understand a lot of things including accuracy, precision, and is really bad with logic." You don't do what Techno550 does - and it's not just to me. Look at the most recent thread posted by Turbo535 showing his POWER GAIN with a DYNO of an MS unit vs some other ECU, everyone pounded the table wanting a dyno of my build and I haven't had the motivation to do it... well there goes someone with such proof and the first thing Techno550 says is "well that doesn't prove anything". Hello - street tuned MS vs dyno tuned EFI 1.2 with race fuel.... wtf. "oh well you didn't do this..." and it goes on - he can't lose. Thats just the crest of it - that thread, without my even being able to POST in the thread, turns to a "Well jon doesnt make sense or logic" . WTF is that if its not a personal attack - I am not even in the freaking forum! I mean to say that my car is "not running" or "not running well" and that "I never get in boost" is just horse shit Techno550 is trying to throw! There's no way around that. I have a friend that got a ride in a TRM car and said it's slow - do I say that? Nope!

Anyway - you hold very little weight in my bag of dislikes - I promise you that my real grip is with Techno550 and Matt (you should really see a picture of matt and I think you'd understand what I feel). There is not a thread where Techno550 posts something to compete with something someone says that Matt doesn't post the SAME THING techno550 says... coincidence that Matt and Techno550 == next door neighbors/sunday buddies? I think not - that's fine. But you get what I am saying.

Jon

Hopefully that makes things more apparent.



Cameron what pissed me off is that they had a thread about some dudes thread and it turned into people bashing me (people who aren't even sure what they're complaining about) and then you quoted it laughing and roffle waffle and supporting it. Sorry, that's annoying. It's childish of that thread to have started, more childish of the people who posted in it, and think about how you would feel if you were in Time Out and someone posted at thread "Let's keep this thread limited to making fun of Cameron" and you can't respond, yet I post "haha yeah totally, cmon" - I think you can understand.

[Highboosting///M3]

Actually I would probably find it a little funny myself. Well I apologize.

It was interesting though you didn't mention the name of guys or one particular guy who really attacked you yet you mentioned my name when I only said roffle my woffle.

[UrineMachine]

Originally Posted by Highboosting///M3

Actually I would probably find it a little funny myself. Well I apologize.

It was interesting though you didn't mention the name of guys or one particular guy who really attacked you yet you mentioned my name when I only said roffle my woffle.

Because they're all assholes who didn't even know how old I was, but you seemed to be supporting them.

[Jordanmd88]

aah E Drama... well Jon i hope you saw the last post that got locked up because of matt and techno.. i wouldn't let them get to you.. I dont think techno hates you because of MS he is just pressured because 600 bucks and someone can tune their own car instead of him doing multiple chips for 500 bucks.. thats easy money that is about to be gone.. He knows MS2 is good.. but he is a vendor and is trying to make money about keeping the sheep in the dark.. ? he will always say any standalone is not a good as chip tunning.. unless it's the end all tunning solution..

[m3jasper]

I'm glad that we are on the same page about not taking these things too seriously. You have to understand that things don't get across very well sometimes on the internet since you can't sense emotion. Honestly, I'm the type that's a wise ass and don't think twice about saying what I have on my mind as long as it's not disrespectful. I can see that you are the same way. So, that's a great thing.

As for you hating me, I really don't get that feeling from you at all and I hope you don't think that about me either. You seem like a cool/smart guy so it would be nice to finally meet you in person and chat. Look forward to meeting you at the show.

[Highboosting///M3]

Originally Posted by UrineMachine

Because they're all assholes who didn't even know how old I was, but you seemed to be supporting them.

Oh no...are you breaking up with me?

It was a funny post and I laughed. That is all. Nothing to be bent about.

Well I definitely will be trying to be more serious on bfc. I try to make jokes because laughter is healthy but in text it might not be viewed as a joke at times and I understand that. Dry humor in text sometimes doesn't work.

I have nothing against you right now UM. It's all good. Well my car is running so I pretty much love everyone right now.

[polizei144]

i dont like bf.c... i usually just stick to the regional threads...