Supercharged M5 and Z8 WOW!

[Jimmyz2]

Here is an article from BMW Car Mag of my friend Shadowman.
http://www.discovery-automotive.com/media.htm

[Shockwave179]

Both those cars are sick

[littlefeat]

There was an article in European Car Magazine a few months back of what apears to be the same car.... It was an RMS built Z8. It looks identical except for the manifold cover. Strange.

LF

[Jimmyz2]

"[There was an article in European Car Magazine a few months back of what apears to be the same car.... It was an RMS built Z8. It looks identical except for the manifold coverStrange.]" It was the same car and RMS DID NOT buid the car.I have cancelled my subscribtion to European magazine because of that article .Go to to www.m5board.com for the full story.Go to RMS and read.I will let you decide.

[littlefeat]

Originally Posted by Jimmyz2

"[There was an article in European Car Magazine a few months back of what apears to be the same car.... It was an RMS built Z8. It looks identical except for the manifold coverStrange.]" It was the same car and RMS DID NOT buid the car.I have cancelled my subscribtion to European magazine because of that article .Go to to www.m5board.com for the full story.Go to RMS and read.I will let you decide.

Oh you are very wrong my friend. You should confirm your facts before you discredit a company of thier blood sweat and tears. Your friend shadowman admits several times, on the m5board, that his car was built at RMS and what a great job they did. Are you sure we are talking about the same car?

LF

[Dado]

Very pricey kit but if you can get those cars then I don't see a problem with paying that much for it anyways. Those are some impressive numbers nonetheless

[943184dr]

Originally Posted by littlefeat

Oh you are very wrong my friend. You should confirm your facts before you discredit a company of thier blood sweat and tears. Your friend shadowman admits several times, on the m5board, that his car was built at RMS and what a great job they did. Are you sure we are talking about the same car?

LF

Those are probably old posts because he has posted several times RECENTLY on BFC about how much of a lame job they did and how much praise he has for the other company. Jimmy can probably fill you in on the name as i forgot it.

Tom

I am VERY familiar with this, since Bill NOblock and I were friends WHILE OSH was building this INFAMOUS Z8.
Bill Noblock had ZERO knowledge on what and how to build this ONE OFF Z8 kit. He enlisted Osh to build this car, while Bill had an employeee stay at RMS and document the build day by day. It was under the guise of ensuring quality, but in fact it was to monitor and steal ideas and systems and techniques.
In fact, Bill came on board RMS ,during and after the build as a "business manager" to assist Osh, because he loved Osh's products and technical knowledge. He hung around long enough to steal employees, customers, osh's carbon fiber molds, and basically he is trying to emulate Osh's business as we speak.
Bill Noblock had one goal in mind when OSH built his Z8. Learn what he can, get involved and inside the RMS business, and then try to steal it.

I invite ANYONE to have a technical conversation with OSH MINELIAN and then have the same with BILL NOBLOCK. You will know what I mean instantly.

Bill went on BF's trying to tout an E36 S/C kit, with no tech data or specs, I am not quite sure it exists and what it is. He was basically laughed off BF's, and he has been pretty quiet about it since.I believe Bill Noblock has a history of learning things from different people by means of "helping" and then tries to take them over directly or by establishing a very similar business. He tries to prey on the weak. The mistake he made is Osh and RMS is NOT WEAK. or meek.


Sorry Jimmy, I like you and your style , but I was in the middle of that whole situation, receiving weekly calls from Bill Noblock before, during and after the car was built, And Bill's rave reviews of Osh's work, first hand. And you DEFINITELY have this story INCORRECT.

94318, The man praising the "other company" owns the other company. Osh built the car, and now Bill Noblock wants to promote building M5's and Z8's from taking apart the work Osh did to build the ONE OFF at a VERY DISCOUNTED PRICE, I might add!!
He nows DOES NOT LIKE the RMS work because he supposedly cleaned up the kit and copied it and now wants to install them for a profit to himself.

Do you see why , a year later, the kit is NO GOOD that Osh built?. It is called ULTERIOR MOTIVE.

[JJG323]

I have read european car for a long time, Osh and RMS are the main tuners to supercharge an M3. They have been tuners for many years of other series like the 5 er and more. The main quote in there ads is "God is in the details."

Its my understanding that Osh is a person who has a very long history with BMWs, the other guy is just a poser.

By the way I have seen at Bav Auto Show, Marco's Purple M3 supercar for many years, this car is just awesome! Marco knows OSH due to the fact he has fine tunned the setup on his car and some other BMWs.

My only wish is that RMS made a supercharger kit for the e30 2.8 m20 325i stroker than I have made for my 79 323i.

thanks - joe

Thanks Joe.
Osh and I hve spent time together at my home, working on projects and he has taught me pretty much everything I know about centri blowers and making power.
Osh has been building very fast cars since he was a teen-ager. I believe Osh was a service manager for a large BMW dealership, way back when.
I believe in what Osh can do, he has abundant knowledge, that is I why I back him up.
Compare Osh to Bill Noblock, and it is simply a joke.

[Jimmyz2]

Listen Marco.I lke you and you have done a gret job with your M3.And let me emphatically state your M3.Osh has never build and completed a M5.I am not making these stories up on M5board.AndIt is not just Shadoman.And why is that guys defending RMS/Osh are all on the east Coast?I have seen the pictures where all the engine parts are in boxes before they were send out.I have talked to the M5 owners(and let me say VERY respected members of their community).Are everyone of those guys liars.I don't think so.Do you think all those guys got together just to f**k Osh?If it was just 1 guy Marco,OK then I could doubt.But not when you have so many people reporting what happened to their cars.Just read the stories on www.m5board.com.I am not making these up.I have nothing personal against Osh/RMS.I did not bring this up.I was resonding to some stating Shadowman's Z8 and and M5 were RMS/Osh's cars.They were in fact not.I have seen some very nice HARDWARE from RMS(or should I say Vortech).But not too much bout the software/tuning.Marco I don't wish to get in a pissing match with you.I suggest anyone have questions to go to m5board and ask these guy's and form you own opinion.

[943184dr]

Originally Posted by Marc1119

94318, The man praising the "other company" owns the other company. Osh built the car, and now Bill Noblock wants to promote building M5's and Z8's from taking apart the work Osh did to build the ONE OFF at a VERY DISCOUNTED PRICE, I might add!!
He nows DOES NOT LIKE the RMS work because he supposedly cleaned up the kit and copied it and now wants to install them for a profit to himself.

Do you see why , a year later, the kit is NO GOOD that Osh built?. It is called ULTERIOR MOTIVE.

Hey Marco!! good to see ya again. I was compeletely unaware of this. and well since i know you have worked so closely with osh that kind of makes it a hard to beat source.

Thanks for the info.

Tom

I am not referring to the M5 stuff, Jimmy. In some instances I AGREE with what you say, I do.
I am ONLY referring to Bill Noblock taking credit for buliding his Z8, because it is simply NOT TRUE. I was in contact with Osh and Bill the WHOLE TIME.

And Bill possibly slightly exaggerating some stories, to gain favor with FUTURE M5 or Z8 customers. He would have NO IDEA how to do this stuff if Osh had not taught him.
Work ethic and MONEY MANAGEMENT has not been Osh's strong suit, Agreed.
But E36 stuff , he has down pat. I have never reccommended using Osh for a V8 BMW. NEVER.

I am sorry for those who have had problems in the past, but to ignore Osh's potential for the future with some NEW(over 1 year now) ethics and business discipline, IMHO would be foolish for those looking for great FI power.

Jimmy, please do not miss my point.I agree with alot of what you say but Bill Noblock is a NOBODY in the BMW world, he just paid Osh to build him a car at a very cheap price and then copied the hardware and markets it himself. Period.

[Jimmyz2]

Marco,you are still my friend.