What to replace a e46 M3 With? Pics Inside - Page 2

Alex Mc · #16 (**permalink**) 02-19-2003, 07:23 AM

Ian- what up man, crazy flight trouble so i just got home-

Anyway, all i have to say is HELL YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

That is so hot right now- and i'm totally with Ian on his E46 M3 review, in fact, their Steel Grey SMGII was the first one i had the chance to drive, and even had the oppurtunity to beat it around a little on a 90mile drive with a Ferrari group. Yeah it's fast, yeah the brakes are nice, but damn is it heavy, steering is numb, i felt like i was driving my mom's 740i. I absolutely CANNOT WAIT to go for a ride in the turbo!!! Damn!!! And the green is nice

I'll hit you up tonight Ian- peace.

Scho · #17 (**permalink**) 02-19-2003, 10:15 AM

I agree, the E46 is nice, but not a "driver's car".

Prfctyon · #18 (**permalink**) 02-19-2003, 11:54 AM

How can you say that E46 is not a driver's car... it still has the best handling in it's class

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klasic · #19 (**permalink**) 02-19-2003, 01:08 PM

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Originally posted by Prfctyon
How can you say that E46 is not a driver's car... it still has the best handling in it's class .

handling is more than just numbers, anyone can be a number jockey and spout off 0-60, skidpad, slalom, braking, etc, etc, and yes I do keep tabs on the numbers. But a drivers car is made up of so much more than that, and really it all revolves around feel.

Again the e46 M3 is vauge in chasis, disconnected from the throttle (damn drive by wire), and overall has a very boaty feel. They are similar arguments that I have heard against the Toyota Supra. I too fall prey to wanting a supra for pure modability, but in the end I feel that it too is not a pure drivers car.

What is a true drivers car on today's market? Well there are very few, in the states, you can buy a 911 GT3 (2003), an NSX (although I have heard complaints about feedback, I have not driven one), and there have to be a few others.

Also something to consider is the e30 M3, its skidpad numbers were not the best, but that is one of the most driver oriented cars I have ever driven.....

And Alex, welcome back, we will get you a ride in in soon....

Rob ITR1035 · #20 (**permalink**) 02-20-2003, 03:31 PM

RWD, Rear engine boosted goodness owns a fat 330 with a kit.....

looks great ian.

dallasbboy · #21 (**permalink**) 02-20-2003, 04:09 PM

The E46 M3 is a let down compared to the previous m3s. Its a very powerful car but you'd never know by the way it feels or sounds. It serves best as a high speed cruiser where as the e36 m3 is home on the roadcourse. The SMG II system is worth its weight in gold though. 18 pounds, I guess thats not that much gold.

klasic
If you want a monster of a car get a 2003 Z06. Theres nothing that can hang with a Z06 in third gear this side of super car land.

Brian

M///_Wraith · #22 (**permalink**) 02-20-2003, 04:11 PM

Fantastic Porsche. Congratulate your dad on the acquisition.

Turbo engines are so much fun to tune and run. I would definitely consider a car like yours as my next purchase. We'll see what the new M generation holds. If they get to 'bangleized' I'm moving to a P-car.

Rob ITR1035 · #23 (**permalink**) 02-20-2003, 04:29 PM

a lightly modified C2 Turbo can definately hang with a Z06, straight line or curves.

What do you think Ian, just the 1 bar spring or spring and chips?

klasic · #24 (**permalink**) 02-20-2003, 09:11 PM

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Originally posted by dallasbboy

Theres nothing that can hang with a Z06 in third gear this side of super car land.

Brian

Well the 964 Turbo's are a super car..... I'll come back with more details tomorrow, but the 964's would out run a ZR1 from a roll with stock boost (only .7 bar) and like rob said only a spring update away from running 1.0 bar of boost....

klasic · #25 (**permalink**) 02-21-2003, 07:25 AM

Ok the more detailed responce....

In 1991-92 When these cars were imported to the states they were a super car, porsche said the 0-60 time were around 4.8 sec, road test have it running it in 4.2. 100 miles and hour passes in just 10.7 sec. It was compared to the F40 and the ZR-1, and it fell just between the two for acceleration.

Now w/ the comparision to the Z-06, I do admit that it is formidable car with a lot of speed, but from the test number the cars seem fairly close in speed, 0-100 for the Vette is around 10.4 or 10.5. With a 1bar spring (up from .7) I think the 965 would easly run with or pull on a z-06. So maybe a decade has given the vette a little more speed, but the brakes on the 965 haul it down from 60 in 105 feet, giving it equal performance to the vette.

So just running the numbers they are fairly similar, but in the end if I see a Z-06 roll up next to me, I think ehh another vette, mass production (yes I admit they are performance bargain) built with cheap plastic and fibgerglass. The 911 has class, is super rare, built with craftsmanship, and the best materials. To each his own as alway...

Rob ITR1035 · #26 (**permalink**) 02-21-2003, 02:36 PM

not to go off topic, but as fast as a z06 is, it will always be a chevy...

bmwm3n528 · #27 (**permalink**) 02-21-2003, 06:44 PM

is somebody talking crap about chevys?

p.s. anybody wanna buy a chevy?

b0rf · #28 (**permalink**) 02-21-2003, 11:40 PM

Ah, i'm glad to see that there is still love for the last generation of rwd turbocharged porsches...

My dad owned a '94 3.6 Turbo.

Midnight Blue/Cashmere
Supple Leather
Dual Power Seats/Dual Lumbar
Painted Crests, Crests in Headrests
Digital Sound
EVERY option, except CD (dunno why)
Coolest option-- Rear Seat Delete, the useless rear seats were replaced with a nice shelf/storage cabinet.

That car HAULED ass. I couldn't imagine it with MORE power.