330ic Vs. TL TypeS 6 speed on C&D

[r6e36]

Did you guy read the comparo? I was surprised that the 330ic was faster. I thought that the Type S was going to blow the 330ic away in acceleration with 260hp and 6 speed manual. The TypeS is only about 100 lb heavier. It must be harder to launch a FWD car or the Acura engine is overrated. What do you guys think?

0 to 60:
330ic: 5.8s
TypeS: 5.9s

1/4 mi:
330ic: 14.4@97 mph
TypeS: 14.6@98 mph

[Z's Bimmer]

I'm always hearing people talk about german cars and japanese cars. It seems that everyone I've spoken to has an opinion that Japanese cars's power are overrated while german cars, in this case, BMW, underrate their cars' power. It could also be the way the car is engineered. Maybe less hp is lost through the drivetrain in a BMW compared to a Japanese car. I don't know.
So the 330Ci goes from 0 to 60 in 5.8 sec huh, damn, that means it can beat me. I better watch out for them.

[dallasbboy]

As with all things in life its all about experience.

BMW has been engineering cars for over a hundred years.

Honda around 50?

A lot has to do with the environment they are designed and tested on. Japan is not exactly a drivers dream but how about the Autobahn in Germany?

For the most part Honda has been engineering its cars for economy rather than performance, its not gonna be so easy for Honda to become a leader in performance cars overnight if ever.

Brian

[Blitz]

The Acura's horsepower looks good on paper, but the car doesn't perform as well as people think it does. I mean it's an awesome car and all, but the 330Ci is bad ass. My sis test drove that Acura and the 330Ci, and she said she liked the BMW better. My 2 cents

[PrinceE30]

My sis test drove that Acura and the 330Ci, and she said she liked the BMW better.

I think that shows that it's not only a "drivers" car...but also a tame non-motorists car. Shows BMW has strength yet grace. That takes time to develop.

-Prince

[ae86_16v]

I don't know...I think the torque figures on the 330 is higher right?

[OPTIMO]

For the most part Honda has been engineering its cars for economy rather than performance, its not gonna be so easy for Honda to become a leader in performance cars overnight if ever.

Just so you know, Honda has been making Cart engines for awhile, and pretty good ones at that. I don't know if this technology is making its way into the production lines like Audi has filtered down some of the R8 tech to its cars. I just can't see blowing that kind of money on a FWD car.

German cars in general are more torque oriented. I myself am a bigger fan of high nM than high HP, that's just me.

I think that shows that it's not only a "drivers" car...but also a tame non-motorists car

I think a better sign of the Honda Type S being a tame car is the fact that the first year the Type S came out it wasn't manual. Very interesting.

[JCM3]

If you look ate the trap speeds the Type S does it 2 miles faster. So they probably got alot of wheelspin during the launch. With a perfect launch the Acura is probably just as fast or a little quicker. That doesn't mean ill take it over the 330!

[vjlax18]

Some people will not like this, but...

All real sports cars (IMO) are RWD or AWD. The only Hondas that are RWD are the S200 and NSX. Also, Honda has never offered a manual with a 6-cyl engine until the new accord. It will be out in the next couple of months. What does that say? That says that the cars are for commuting, not for sport. The 4-cyl engines have a manual for better gas mileage. Honda does have the technology; look at the S2000 or NSX. They are getting better at making sports cars, and just BMW, they are gradually bringing the sports cars over from Japan. If the car had RWD, it would probably beat the 330, but its not. All of the tests are on the track, and basically do not mean squat on the streets. You can make an Integra out handle an M3, but it will ride like dookie, and that’s where the real joy of owning a BMW comes to the surface. BMW makes truly civilized sports cars, where as Honda makes civilized, BMW inspired (Sport) Econo-Boxes.

Again, this is my opinion.

[badbadm]

Originally posted by vjlax18
Also, Honda has never offered a manual with a 6-cyl engine until the new accord. It will be out in the next couple of months. What does that say

I totally agree with everything you said, but I felt like I should mention that Honda produced the Acura Legend for a number of years in the mid- '90s with a 6cylinder engine and manual tranny.

[Sean M3]

330Ci 0-60 in 5.8???? That is questionable, I highly doubt it is that fast. So basically, it would give the E36 M3 a run for it's money. I don't think so. Those figures must be wrong. In Automobile magazine, I remember it saying 0-60 was in the 6's. Now that is more believebale than 5.8...I would think it would be more around 6.3 or 6.4

[badbadm]

I don't think they made up the 5.8. I just think they had a good day.
The E36 M3 with manual tranny would test anywhere between 6.1 seconds and 5.3 seconds (OK that 5.3 was a LTW i think), so it makes sense that the 330 could have a similar variance. Also, anyone who's driven the 330 Sport and E36 M3 is aware that the two cars are far closer than most M3 drivers would want (me included).

[TC M3]

Even if the Acura was faster I would never buy it, why? B/C its japanese and BMW IS GERMAN!!!! I would take a Golf over any Acura (except NSX) or Honda.

[OPTIMO]

Even if the Acura was faster I would never buy it, why? B/C its japanese and BMW IS GERMAN!!!! I would take a Golf over any Acura (except NSX) or Honda.

No offense, but that's some pretty busted logic. A few J Specs I think are pretty kick ass:

R32-R33-R34 (Skylines)
Evo VII Proto
Impreza Sti WRC
Supra TT
Silvia R
Fairlady Z TT


Just to name a few. Now would you take your Golf over those? If so, you're not an auto enthusiast, but an idiot. Don't get me wrong, I prefer a German car over a J-Spec, but they do make some nice and easily modded cars.

German cars I would rather have:

Ruf R Turbo
RS4
Alpina B10 BiTurbo
Skoda Octavia WRC
Peugeot 206 WRC
72 Lotus Elan

[r6e36]

Nope, the Acura has more displacement, power and torque.
3.2l, 260hp@6100rpm and 232Tq@3500rpm compared to the BMW 3.0l, 225hp@5900rpm and 214Tq@3500rpm. The 1/4 mi. trap speed shows that the Acura is definately more powerful, it just coundn't get a good launch. Plus they seems to have tested a extremly fast 330ic, 'cause I don't think I've seen any test that the 330ic did 0-60 better than 6s before. I guess that suck for Acura and good for BMW.

Originally posted by ae86_16v
I don't know...I think the torque figures on the 330 is higher right?