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Old 09-19-2002, 06:07 PM
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4.4 V8 in E36

I have seen E30s with m3(e36) and m5(e34) engine, but is there any chance of putting 4.4 V8 into E36 with 286hp and over 300 lb of torque that should be a lot faster the E36 m3?
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Old 09-19-2002, 06:14 PM
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hell yes it would be faster
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Old 09-19-2002, 06:20 PM
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LoL! Hey what kind of engine are u exactly thinking about? i was wondering if i could later down the line just drop in an e46 M3 engine in my car! ooo buddy, that would be hekca fasttttt!
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Old 09-19-2002, 06:35 PM
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you can drop just about any engine in any car with the right amount of money and modification. However i don't know about if it would be worth dropping in the newer engine cause cost would be very high. The newer engines use drive by wire which you would have to convert your car to as well. there are probably other similar technological things but these would make it pretty expensive. Better off with m3 with forced induction or a euro m3 engine.
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Old 09-19-2002, 06:58 PM
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The 4.4l, im almost postive does not have the drive by wire technology so that swap would be a lot easier, just getting the damn thing to fit. Is the 4.4l an aluminum block? Wondering on the weight difference between the 4.4l and the s50-s52's.

Since the drive by wire is such a big deal, couldn't you just replace the whole pedal assembly etc... from the newer car? I really don't know much how the drive by wire works, maybe someone could explain it? Thanks
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340V8 did the conversion....

I think he is running as fast as the new E46 M3
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Old 09-19-2002, 07:22 PM
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340V8 had a dyno run recently with 202kw at the rear wheels.

i dont know what the conversion to the flywheel is with the V8 motor.

they have done the 4.0, the 4.4 wouldnt be much different... the M5 5.0, now thats a different story.

click on the link in my sig for pics and dyno sheets of his run.

under 'events' then 'dyno day'
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Old 09-19-2002, 07:31 PM
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Re: 4.4 V8 in E36

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I have seen E30s with m3(e36) and m5(e34) engine, but is there any chance of putting 4.4 V8 into E36 with 286hp and over 300 lb of torque that should be a lot faster the E36 m3?
i dare say the 4.4 in a e36 would be shredding m3's , also taking into account the power to weight ratio.....

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Old 09-19-2002, 07:32 PM
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340V8 had a dyno run recently with 202kw at the rear wheels.

i dont know what the conversion to the flywheel is with the V8 motor.

they have done the 4.0, the 4.4 wouldnt be much different... the M5 5.0, now thats a different story.

click on the link in my sig for pics and dyno sheets of his run.

under 'events' then 'dyno day'

202kwwp is about 280whp. To the flywheel thats around 330hp, just around what a 4.4 with some mods should be. I'd be more interested in the tq number. Its probably somewhere around 350lbtq at the flywheel.

The additional weight + the change in the weight distrabution are the killers. Plus all the modding to fit in the bigger motor. You would be better off with a euro 3.2.
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Old 09-19-2002, 07:48 PM
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dyno run of 340V8:

***CAUTION 56K USERS!!!***

http://dtmaust.bab.wox.org/melb/even...yno_340_v8.jpg
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Old 09-19-2002, 07:52 PM
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202kwwp is about 280whp. To the flywheel thats around 330hp, just around what a 4.4 with some mods should be. I'd be more interested in the tq number. Its probably somewhere around 350lbtq at the flywheel.

The additional weight + the change in the weight distrabution are the killers. Plus all the modding to fit in the bigger motor. You would be better off with a euro 3.2.
the 4.4 is going to be putting out more than 330hp , and with the four litre there isnt much of a weight difference hence the 4.4 would be in the same category , with mods be expecting a few more kw , in Australia still cheaper to do conversion than buy euro m3............

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Old 09-19-2002, 07:55 PM
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Anyone know exactly the weight of both the 4.4l and the e36 M engines?
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Old 09-19-2002, 08:23 PM
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A German company called H & H did this conversion 3 years ago. They dropped a 540 v8 into a yellow E36 M3.

I have yet to see an E36 with an E46 M3's engine. It's prob. still too expensive to buy an E46 M3's engine nowadays.

If you have enough money, you should be able to drop any engine on your car. Heck there were people who ran E36s with Twin Turbo Supra engines.

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Old 09-19-2002, 08:35 PM
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This is the plan for my next project.. an E36 coupe with a built V8 (cause you know i'm not about to put a stock motor in there).

I'll use a 4.4 V8, probably standalone management for the sake of ease and power capability. M5 crank, bored out, forged pistons, makes it a 4.7.. do custom cams, hamann headers, 6-speed.. i image 450hp at least is possible, and probably at least that much torque.

The V8 is heavier, but keep in mind it's an aluminum block, while the 6 is iron, so the differential isn't as great as you might expect.

Who cares about weight dist.. put subs in the back! hehe, and you can easily offset it with stuff like a CF hood/fenders/bumper.. how do you think i got my E30 M3 close to stock dist!?
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Old 09-19-2002, 08:47 PM
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Is noone thinking about the 4.6is engine? haha

I think the car would PLOW through corners though. That extra weight in the front will make it handle like crap. An aluminum block 4l v8 would be money. It would be way faster then the new m3, and probably a euro 3.2 in an e30 m3.
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