Need a tune, where is good in Sydney?

[DCR62]

Originally Posted by babbo

Will your tuner of choice settle the bill for your toasted modified s14 if it all goes wrong?

If he did something wrong he would....would yours? But we are not talking about 'toasting' an engine. We are talking about refunding 100% if they dont get the figures they claim.....will ALS? If they do, I commend them to everyone.

[MrBlonde]

Originally Posted by babbo

Late model cars don't make power from a remap as the factory systems are sophisticated enough to allow the tune to be as close to the limits as possible. With resistor style spark plugs very precise knock detection is achieved to take into account for an aggressive tune and/or poor quality fuels. That with proper coding to suit makes the current day (euro) cars quite hard to kill!

Something earlier (e30, e36 and early e46's) can all make a notable gain from a good tune locally. Aside from the engine tune (ign timing and fueling) there are also many things controlled by the factory DME's that some find annoying (such as the aggressive fly-by-wire configuration in some late model e46 units) which we can re-calibrate to suit.

For what its worth, the few people locally who have the gear and knowledge to tune the older cars that still run factory ecu's are few and far between. Also, how do you properly tune a car without having a dyno?

As for your L-Jet car, it runs a very simple fueler only computer not really worth playing with but give us a call (9680 0773) on Tues morning and we can discuss your options.

Have a nice long weekend!

Ben, why are you talking like you are a pro tuner? You work in IT dude and hang out at ALS in your spare time .. or have things changed?

[Etez]

Unfortunately we don't have any good BMW tuners in Australia.

[tubby 17s]

speaking of pro tuners...... hows your car going Kenny? Havnt heard about it since the last incident.

[babbo]

Originally Posted by DCR62

If he did something wrong he would....would yours? But we are not talking about 'toasting' an engine. We are talking about refunding 100% if they dont get the figures they claim.....will ALS? If they do, I commend them to everyone.

While fabricating custom parts to be used in racing purposes usually lacks an extended warranty of sorts, manufacturing faults should be warrantied as far as I'm concerned. Tuning is a bit more of a hazy game unless you built the engine (the person/company tuning the engine that is) as things can turn bad very fast as some of us here have seen first hand. Unfortunately there sometimes isn't a perfectly straight answer when it comes to this performance stuff but I'd hope that the companies involved would have enough integrity to do the right thing by the customer and vise versa. One thing to remember is that most things things in this world have been done before by someone else so excuses about ground breaking projects don't really work with me any more

I think the thing you've forgotten Dave is that power figures aren't always that relevant and people often get far too wound up into it. Its more important to have a tune that won't rattle your engine to pieces, wash the bores like crazy, make the low/part throttle response poor or have the cold starts so rich that if you try a 2nd time you'll have fouled a plug or two!

Most tuners that can't make a gain out of your car will likely not charge you the full price. Given that time has been spent on the job, money invested in the equipment required to do the said job, not to mention experience in doing that work you'd be crazy to not at least pay them for the dyno time or them not charge you for it!

As this is going to turn into a witch hunt as usual wherever I'm involved; I'll leave this one right here. If you wish to discuss it further, do tell me when you're in Sydney again and I'll gladly meet up and continue from here.

[babbo]

Originally Posted by tubby 17s

speaking of pro tuners...... hows your car going Kenny? Havnt heard about it since the last incident.

[DCR62]

You said.....

Originally Posted by babbo

...........Something earlier (e30, e36 and early e46's) can all make a notable gain from a good tune locally. Aside from the engine tune (ign timing and fueling) there are also many things controlled by the factory DME's that some find annoying (such as the aggressive fly-by-wire configuration in some late model e46 units) which we can re-calibrate to suit.

There is no riddle in my question. Will ALS give a money back guarantee they will achieve a said gain?

[babbo]

Originally Posted by DCR62

You said.....

There is no riddle in my question. Will ALS give a money back guarantee they will achieve a said gain?

I'm not a spokesperson for ALS Performance, but why don't you give Andrew a call if you're really that interested about it....

[DCR62]

Originally Posted by babbo

I'm not a spokesperson for ALS Performance....

Then why do you keep using the term 'we' and 'us' in your posts when referring to ALS Performance? ......such as here

Originally Posted by babbo

Late model cars don't make power from a remap as the factory systems are sophisticated enough to allow the tune to be as close to the limits as possible. With resistor style spark plugs very precise knock detection is achieved to take into account for an aggressive tune and/or poor quality fuels. That with proper coding to suit makes the current day (euro) cars quite hard to kill!

Something earlier (e30, e36 and early e46's) can all make a notable gain from a good tune locally. Aside from the engine tune (ign timing and fueling) there are also many things controlled by the factory DME's that some find annoying (such as the aggressive fly-by-wire configuration in some late model e46 units) which we can re-calibrate to suit.

For what its worth, the few people locally who have the gear and knowledge to tune the older cars that still run factory ecu's are few and far between. Also, how do you properly tune a car without having a dyno?

As for your L-Jet car, it runs a very simple fueler only computer not really worth playing with but give us a call (9680 0773) on Tues morning and we can discuss your options.

Have a nice long weekend!

and from another thread that I had to delete.....

Originally Posted by babbo

We can supply you a box like this, all CFRP and incredibly light! Also 30% greater volume over the original!

Drop me an email or PM of you're interested.

Now in this post you even tell this person to use your email address as a contact for product information that can be provided by ALS. Surely if you weren't acting on ALS behalf you would have simply told the OP to contact Andrew at ALS?

So we can only assume that in fact you are the forum spokesperson in relation to ALS. The phone number you have listed is the phone number for ALS Performance, not your own so I can only assume you are referring to yourself as part of ALS Performance when you use the terms we and us. I apoligise if it is a case of mistaken but wishful identity.

Originally Posted by babbo

but why don't you give Andrew a call if you're really that interested about it....

You know I have no interest in them for myself. I am simply trying to get a yes or no answer to a simple question. You appear to be avoiding that question though. Maybe if you're not the front man for ALS you could ask Andrew next time your over at their workshop spinning the tools, and get back to us.

I'll be back down in the big smoke in a couple of months time, so I look forward to catching up and hear your thoughts...................have a great long weekend.

[MrBlonde]

Originally Posted by tubby 17s

speaking of pro tuners...... hows your car going Kenny? Havnt heard about it since the last incident.

It's a phenomenon of the internet that any nobody with no standing in he community feels like they can step up and take a swing.

What's happening with my car is that it's a complex custom build still underway.

What's happening with your car? Well nobody knows because you are a nobody with nothing special. Even worse, you only come out of the woodwork to make snide comments Ben has sniggered to you after his dose at Tiffany's has emboldened him.

[MrBlonde]

Originally Posted by babbo

I guess you've forgotten problems you've had with your cars over the years.

[1q2w3e4r]

Originally Posted by tubby 17s

speaking of pro tuners...... hows your car going Kenny? Havnt heard about it since the last incident.

Obviously I can't speak for Kenny, who is more than capable of speaking for himself. But I think with work commitments and a young family it's probably on the back burner a little bit being a hobby.

Originally Posted by babbo

While fabricating custom parts to be used in racing purposes usually lacks an extended warranty of sorts, manufacturing faults should be warrantied as far as I'm concerned. Tuning is a bit more of a hazy game unless you built the engine (the person/company tuning the engine that is) as things can turn bad very fast as some of us here have seen first hand. Unfortunately there sometimes isn't a perfectly straight answer when it comes to this performance stuff but I'd hope that the companies involved would have enough integrity to do the right thing by the customer and vise versa. One thing to remember is that most things things in this world have been done before by someone else so excuses about ground breaking projects don't really work with me any more

I think the thing you've forgotten Dave is that power figures aren't always that relevant and people often get far too wound up into it. Its more important to have a tune that won't rattle your engine to pieces, wash the bores like crazy, make the low/part throttle response poor or have the cold starts so rich that if you try a 2nd time you'll have fouled a plug or two!

Most tuners that can't make a gain out of your car will likely not charge you the full price. Given that time has been spent on the job, money invested in the equipment required to do the said job, not to mention experience in doing that work you'd be crazy to not at least pay them for the dyno time or them not charge you for it!

As this is going to turn into a witch hunt as usual wherever I'm involved; I'll leave this one right here. If you wish to discuss it further, do tell me when you're in Sydney again and I'll gladly meet up and continue from here.

Absouletly right any defect or malfunction should be warrantied, it gets confusing however for some people who aren't 100% up on things and sometimes don't know this from that. Which is perfectly understandable, as cars are a hobby for most people.

Although there is a difference between a custom build and a engine with a turbo or S/C bolted to the side. They aren't the same kettle of fish, be it a BMW, Porsche, V8, JDM or anything else for that matter.

I totally disagree however that tuning is a hazy game, there are plenty of people around capable of tuning your run of the mill stock E30/36 etc or variety of Japanese cars, they also however shouldn't pop the engine or have something blow after its been in the car 2 days. Especially if they built the engine. Where it gets confusing or difficult I've found in my experience is where you've moved the parameters of the engine or build so it can't be perfectly forecast how things will settle when it's all done. (Different head, valves, retainers, exhaust, turbo, piston compression etc etc).

Ultimately its up to the consumer to use their own judgement, although I agree with Dave's comments that you perpetuate the image that you are associated with ALS' workshop. That in itself is fine, it's no skin off my nose at all and obviously you and the workshop have a good relationship which you are happy to discuss and recommend them. All good. I think however you'd have to concede that to the casual observer it could be mistaken that you are either an employee or stakeholder in that enterprise though. Once again, it makes no difference at all to me and I don't have any problem with it, although at one point I assumed you were a spanner spinner from your posts.

[tubby 17s]

Well kenny.. i was actually just wondering. i have been following your build since the start and have even recommended people call you for parts such as the numerous S50's you've had for sale and rear ends. Im not out to get you more just trying to find out where your car was at since i havnt heard about it in a while.

My car is almost finished and ready go head to the track itself. Maybe its only a little E30 with a m52 S/C but thats all i can afford, let alone big workshops doing the work for me. but thanks for asking instead of just accusing me of things.

And i wonder why DTM has gone down hill

Originally Posted by MrBlonde

It's a phenomenon of the internet that any nobody with no standing in he community feels like they can step up and take a swing.

What's happening with my car is that it's a complex custom build still underway.

What's happening with your car? Well nobody knows because you are a nobody with nothing special. Even worse, you only come out of the woodwork to make snide comments Ben has sniggered to you after his dose at Tiffany's has emboldened him.

[Aaron318iS]

Originally Posted by 1q2w3e4r

although at one point I assumed you were a spanner spinner from your posts.

Same, he even serviced a friends car there

[Etez]

Finally some action on DTM!