[chandler]

Originally Posted by ams

Its interesting because A. we dont know if osama bin laden did it B. there were so many other inconsistencies with the stories. for example they measured the damage on the pentagon and it was no where near the wingspan of the plane that hit it, infact they said it looked a like a missle hit it. Also how on earth, us being the USA, have planes that went off radar, we have a back up systems that backup the back up system. More than 4000 jews did not show up to work that day. When the bombings happend CNN played a video of palestinians celebrating during the day time, when infact this video was from 1991 during persian gulf war. So much has happend and yet so much has been kept from us, we are in a world controlled by the media, they show us what to believe.

when the horrific events of 9/11 took place, we as a nation we hit hard and hurt and confused, as soon as they pinpointed it to osama bin laden we felt better. Kind of like the oklahoma bombings, we as a nation got closure to find out it was timothy mchviegh and whatch him die. But do u think him as one man did it byhimself, is it possible. there had to be a whole group of people with him. but we didnt care, because got our closure from getting him.

I believe there are arab/muslim terrorist out there, and may god bring them to justice. For that matter there are bad groups of people everywhere. As an american muslim, I am for the fight for justice. But i have to also look at the facts like an educated person out there.

Did you know that before america went after taliban, they were discussing a pipeline passage way thru afganishtan for natural gas, so that it would be easier and safer to extract gas for america. Taliban refused.

Did you know that when Taliban was taken out, opium and other narcotics were up in production by 700%. Did you know what afganistan is a natural reservior that is untapped in many things Oil, gold, uranium ect... Did u also know that haveing a base in afganistan is a military strong point that is strategic in the coverage of asia and middle east.

Where there any WMD found at all in Iraq. Or were we just after the Oil and revenge on Saddam. Do honestly think we did find saddam, do u think a man with that much money, power and corruption could have been found. Did you know he had many many people surgically made to look him and be decoys. Or was it convieniant for us to find him during the Bush relelection. I mean we had to have something show right.

Is it worth having so many of my american brothers and sisters whom are brave soldiers be killed, in this fiction war. Did you also know that Bush, Cheny and thier close associates are making tons of money with companies like haliburton taking up rebuilding contracts, with no competition for bids. Haliburton bid with the government to pump the oil at a price of 2.50 a barrel, when another company that was doing it was doing for 1.25. Is this fair to our taxpayers.

so now the general population agrees we should pull out of Iraq. But wait a holy shia site was blown up and now iraq is on the brink of civil war, thus giving us another reason to stay put. Hmm something sounds fishy here.

We went to Iraq to seek revenge on Saddam, he was also a threat to Isreal, he was the only one as currupt and ill as he is, to stand up and call Isreal out. We went there for Oil and money, and to build another colony like Puerto Rico.

So Iran is next, hmm they also are calling Isreal out as murderers. So we are afraid Iran will get nuclear power.

Isreal has not signed the UN the agreement for thier nuclear arms, yet when Iran wants this power, we will make sure they dont get it and sign the nuclear arms treaty. Why havent anyone gone after Isreal and make sure they sign the treaty. Hey wait a min, wasnt Korea the ones we found with nuclear arms and they have a leader that is just as crazy if not more than Saddam. we have not said anything to him, why not because there is nothing korea can offer us like oil.

Wake up people, we are in the age of information, and we need to use that. I say leave this mess that the middle east has, and work on protecting our borders, making our economy grow, taking care of our people.

think about this now that so many companies have moved out, with our economy down and loss of jobs, all those soldiers when they come back will not have a job. What are we gonna do????

Take the time to read, in my opinion i believe isreal has alot do with this. you dont believe me, read this book, By way of deception; making and unmaking of a mosad agent. by victor otrovski. it will open your eyes.

1. Enough Popular culture propoganda. PLEASE. Obviously you are not a well read person. PLEASE CITE YOUR SOURCES!!!! PLEASE!!

2. If the US was concerned about gold mines in afghanistan dont you think that we would put a little more empahsis on engineering brigades that to fuck around with a handful of special forces in the freezing cold of the afghan mountains?? come on dude. seriously. i know its cool to be a conspiracy advocate and such but it does not reflect your level of education or inductive reasoning skills well...

3. Yeah about the pipeline. that was through from Turkey. too expensive. Terrain too rugged for the benefit. The pipeline is not top secret retard. Do you know the terrain of afghanistan? Can you find afghanistan on a map? next?

4. A base in Afghanistan would prove to be useful, true. But we already have bases in bosnia, belgium, Bulgaria, Germany, Greece, Italy, Kosovo, Liberia, Netherlands, Norway, Poland, Romania, Sao Tome Principe (do you know what a principe is?), Spain, Turkey, United Kingdom, Australia, Guam, Japan, South Korea, Phillipines, Thailand....Should I go on? Well lets look at the middle east? Shall we?? Bahrain, Iraq, Kuwait (huge), Oman, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, UAE, Egypt, Israel, Jordan, Yemen, Djibouti, Ethiopia, Kenya, Kazakhstan, kyrgyzstan, Pakistan, Tajikistan, Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan.... Looks like we have the region pretty much covered don't you think? So much for the strategic value...

5. Let's talk about WMD's...
a. We know Saddam had them and lots of them because we have a reciept for them. (you probably don't know what i am talking about do you? Remember the Iran Iraq war? Or was that before you were born?
b. This notion that he had WMD's was not just the United States. Go to the United Nations website and do a search of all the U.N. Resolutions that were written because of his development of these weapons and ultimately the reason for war. (there are 19 of them i believe spanning 12 years)
c. Allegations of public untruthfulness by Presidents -- often on important matters of state -- have been levelled at most Presidents. President Reagan faced accusations about his truthfulness regarding Iran-Contra. President Bush confronted similar charges, with The New York Times characterizing his statements on the subject as "incredible." President Johnson faced a "credibility gap" regarding his statements about the Viet Nam war. President Kennedy lied about the Bay of Pigs, and President Eisenhower lied about Gary Powers and the U2 incident. And many have suggested that Presidents Wilson and Franklin Roosevelt were less than fully candid about the prospective involvement of the United States in World Wars I and II. All of these alleged misstatements related to public policy. They denied the public and Congress an opportunity to exercise their democratic prerogative to affect those policies.

In a briefing for journalists reported on October 29, 2003, the director of the National Imagery and Mapping Agency said satellite images showed a heavy flow of traffic from Iraq into Syria just before the American invasion in March 2003. Retired Air Force Lieutenant General James Clapper Jr. said he believed "unquestionably" that illicit weapons material was transported into Syria and perhaps other countries. He said "I think people below the Saddam- Hussein-and-his-sons level saw what was coming and decided the best thing to do was to destroy and disperse. ... I think probably in the few months running up to the onset of the conflict, I think there was probably an intensive effort to disperse into private hands, to bury it, and to move it outside the country's borders."

In an exclusive interview with The Sunday Telegraph published on January 25, 2004, Dr. David Kay, the former head of the Iraq Survey Group, said there was evidence that unspecified materials had been moved to Syria shortly before the start of the war to overthrow Saddam. "We are not talking about a large stockpile of weapons," he said. "But we know from some of the interrogations of former Iraqi officials that a lot of material went to Syria before the war, including some components of Saddam's WMD programme. Precisely what went to Syria, and what has happened to it, is a major issue that needs to be resolved." (www.globalsecurity.org)

d. As of October 2002 the US judgement was that all key aspects - R&D, production, and weaponization - of Iraq's offensive BW program were active and that most elements were larger and more advanced than they were before the Gulf war. Iraq was assessed as having some lethal and incapacitating BW agents and being capable of quickly producing and weaponizing a variety of such agents, including anthrax, for delivery by bombs, missiles, aerial sprayers, and covert operatives.

The Iraq Survey Group found a network of laboratories and safehouses controlled by Iraqi intelligence and security services that contained equipment for chemical and biological research and a prison laboratory complex, possibly used in human testing for Biological Weapon agents, that were not declared to the UN. It also appears that Iraq had the infrastructure and talent to resume production. (www.globalsecurity.org)

6. WTF is this crap? "Is it worth having so many of my american brothers and sisters whom are brave soldiers be killed, in this fiction war. Did you also know that Bush, Cheny and thier close associates are making tons of money with companies like haliburton taking up rebuilding contracts, with no competition for bids. Haliburton bid with the government to pump the oil at a price of 2.50 a barrel, when another company that was doing it was doing for 1.25. Is this fair to our taxpayers."


AGAIN CITE YOUR SOURCES!!!!!! Iraq has not been producing oil in any significant amount since 1991 to impact the price of gasoline. My lord!!! Why does Europe pay more than twice as much as we do for gas? especially when they did not want to support the Us led invasion??? YOUR FACTS DO NOT ADD UP. PLEASE RESEARCH AND COME BACK AGAIN WITH SOME CREDIBLE AND CITED INFORMATION OTHER THAN THE REGURGITATION OF SOME BURNED OUT HIPPIE PROFESSOR AT NORTHWESTERN UNIVERSITY. Thanks.

7. It is unknown if NORTH Korea has nuclear weapons of not. In this case, North Korea has been engaged in talks with China and other nations in the region which do not want the korean peninsula nuclear for THEIR strategic reasons. They are contained. We already have the ENTIRE 2nd Infantry Division 50 miles from the border with 95 installations across the peninsula. Not to mention The ENTIRE FAR EAST AIR FORCE (comprised of about 30 air wings) I think diplomacy is working best here.

8. Civil war would have happened a year and a half ago if we were NOT there. Another retarded comment...

9. What do you know about our economy?? Obviously nothing. We are at the lowest unemployment rate in ten years. the same as it was during the middle of the Clinton Admn. Our now retired Federal Reserve Chairman Alan Greenspan has been managing teasuries to raise the Federal Funds Rate. Contrary to popular belief, the 'Fed' does not set the FFR, the market does. When the fed is trying to move the FFR rate higher this means one thing: they are worried about inflation. Do you know what inflation is? Probably not. When the fed worries about inflation, it is because our economy is GROWING TOO FAST!!!!!!! I am almost done with you kid....

10. as far as the missile hitting the pentagon..... that was a pretty big set of landing gear it had!!!! hahaha

You F*cking left wing ultra liberal whinning conspiracy theory bitches are all the same. NO F*cking FACTS!!!! ALL SPECULATION!!!!

Please provide facts next time kid. Go USMC.